Ep 513 | TBS - "I sent a drunk email to a future guest"

David: 0:00

Coming up on today's Bad Stuff. We discuss should the 50K be a distance that is even run as a world championships, what the distance would be where the 100 mile world record holder would beat a marathon world record holder. And we also find out what David me wrote drunkenly in an email to one of our future guests. We're gonna read it word for word Was it a good thing to have written or not? Coming up in today's bad stuff.

Jody: 0:32

They're bad, they're boys and occasionally they talk about running. Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running Podcast with your hosts Jody Raynsford and David Hellard. Come back, baby. Come back when the bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye bye, bye, bye.

David: 0:52

I must admit I was a clone to be messing around, but that doesn't mean that you're up to leave.

Jody: 0:59

Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

David: 1:03

Hello D-Ballads, hello Jody Raynsford. How are you doing? What's the bad stuff? How are you doing?

Jody: 1:09

Hey, how's it going, man? How are you?

David: 1:12

I'm well. Firstly, if you've not listened to this before, this is where we have a catch up on ourselves, with ourselves, each other, and the week's running. There's interviews at Sundays. I'm currently on a. I'm on thin ice right now and the ice is getting thinner because it is 10.40 on Wednesday. We normally record at nine.

Jody: 1:33

We've been discussing we're like absolute losers discussing marketing.

David: 1:41

Because who discusses marketing for an?

Jody: 1:43

hour and 40 minutes of oh love marketing chats. Oh, we love it don't we Love a bit of marketing chats.

David: 1:50

How are your?

Jody: 1:50

metrics.

David: 1:52

But this is and basically what we've decided. What we've realized is that we our team are great at creating reels and things for, but we've just never looked at what our feed looks like as a page and and I've been posting all over it questions that are horrific and actually looking like this is this is just madness, what?

Jody: 2:12

the hell You're trying to say people that work in marketing or people that experts in marketing have not put out their own good marketing Classic, that's classic.

David: 2:23

Not even. We've just looked back and gone. Oh boy, why have we been shitting all over our our page? But so it is. Brighse has got on maternity leave last Thursday night. Oh, technically.

Jody: 2:40

She's having a baby.

David: 2:42

She we're hoping so. Either that or she has been jumping down hard in a way that I've not seen from her before. But technically I'm not going to be in the house this week because she doesn't want my work. Vibe cramping her maternity Fun, chilled fun time.

Jody: 3:03

So so do you know what? We haven't discussed this, and I think it would be inappropriate to discuss it on the on the podcast. So let's discuss it. Have you spotted any significant changes in either her? I mean, I don't mean that Physique.

David: 3:18

So I think that's oh look at us.

Jody: 3:24

One week we're talking about you know the challenges that pregnancy brings to women running and then the next week we're laughing at her physique.

David: 3:33

We're not laughing at her physique. We're not laughing at the fact that you might not have realised that she's pregnant.

Jody: 3:39

Yeah, that's it. I am the joke here. Not, not, not that.

David: 3:41

It's the joke you're using that I might not have realised. But yes, yes, yes, I might not have noticed.

Jody: 3:47

Because yeah, she's pregnant, but you know she's put on weight.

David: 3:51

Like. What kind of example is she saying?

Jody: 3:55

She's really there to self-go since she's got pregnant, Since we know she's having a baby. It's unbelievable. Things like has cravings, eating stuff that is not eaten before, doing things that she hadn't done before, any kind of baby brain type stuff happening, eating a lot more of a certain type of thing than ever before.

David: 4:17

Not really, not really any of that, no, nothing significant. That it kind of makes you. It makes me believe that actually everyone else is lying about it and they're just using as an excuse, aren't they?

Jody: 4:30

Well, I wouldn't want to be the one to say that, but I do feel that Libby did use it as an excuse, so much so that the chip shop newest gave her free chips. She was in there so much I was like, why are they giving you free chips? I don't understand, yeah, her cravings, which? She called cravings just seem to be stuff that she already liked, but eight times more of it.

David: 4:59

Yeah, that.

Jody: 5:01

There wasn't any particular craze. I don't there was anything particular.

David: 5:04

It was just like more ice cream and more chips, Charcoal or yeah.

Jody: 5:08

No, that's not no charcoal. Charcoal and figs or something like that.

David: 5:13

But the the chip shop are clever. Because do your kids now all crave chips? Because they've just had? They'd be constantly fed in the womb.

Jody: 5:23

It's a relevant whether they crave chips or not, because they're going to get chips, because Libby's northern and so you have chips with literally everything. Don't tell me that time. I went to Lancaster once we were going to Lake District we went to Lancaster, we went into this pub. We were staying in Lancaster. We went into this pub and I ordered a chili and you get chili and rice and they asked me what chips were that and I was like I don't understand. Is this a trick question? Why would you have chips with chili and rice? I like it she was just like, literally this is just so normal. But I don't yeah.

David: 6:03

In a Chinese restaurant. Do you get stir-fried house stir-fried chips? Do they substitute them in so they switch out the rice in there? No, switch out the rice.

Jody: 6:13

Chips are all I think. Chips are used as a almost as a side dish to everything. I'm not even a side dish, it's almost a condiment. Like you just add chips. You sprinkle chips on everything.

David: 6:25

A second plate, a base layer.

Jody: 6:28

Base layer. Yeah, it's almost a foundation.

David: 6:33

Yeah, exactly, it's a secondary main course.

Jody: 6:35

To compliment, it's just in case I suppose. I don't know. I was just curious. I was wondering whether there were any kind of strange things or whether-.

David: 6:45

She's ordered something like three kilograms of figs, but she just loves not figs dates, but she just loves dates.

Jody: 6:51

Yeah, but is she fed up yet, or is she still okay and kind of-?

David: 6:57

At the moment she's having a great time, because it's quite rare to when you're on a holiday you're doing something, yeah. So actually there isn't really ever a week where you're not working but you're not doing, because we decided from last weekend we haven't booked in anything at all, nothing social, yeah, in the diary. And even yesterday I was filming with Caffeine Bullet. I went up to Nottingham Rugby Club who was sponsor, and did some shots with those guys and met the team and our team.

Jody: 7:33

You did some shots, or you did shots with the guys you never know, david, you never know with you.

David: 7:39

We did both, both I, we would. I mean, I was telling them about how, when I was a hooker for many years and obviously they had a huge expectation of that level, having looked at my physique and and really like, but actually what? The one thing that so Nottingham Rugby Club are the level beneath the top level. So that's their second division, the equivalent of the championship in football.

Jody: 8:03

Yeah.

David: 8:04

One of the guys there I can't remember his name, super lovely, loved him, luthe Prop. He was with Worcester, worcestershire, the Worcester, yeah, worcester the rugby club before, and they went bust and their whole team found out on social media. That's how they discovered.

Jody: 8:26

Ah, do you know what I think I heard about that.

David: 8:29

Crazy, right, crazy. Just because you think I understand, yeah, why. Why wouldn't you just tell the people I? Because I understand people being cowardly and saying I don't want to have to say I'm laying off these hundred people, but when the whole club has gone, bust that is. It's a tragedy for everyone the people. The person who's delivering the bad news is bad news for themselves. That's right as well. You've you feel bad for yourself being losing your job, but you'd also feel bad for the person delivering the news. So I don't know why you wouldn't be. Guys, look, this is horrific. We're all, we're all screwed here. Because I think that's very different to me saying I'm fine, but I'm firing all of you. Yes, but I could make more money, but anyway, that was a side yeah, so she. so she's just having a great time. She's got a week of holidays, how she sees it in due date in nine days now, and so I'm not allowed to be. I'm not going to be in the house, and it was just fine because I'm not often in the house during the day anyway, but I'm not allowed to work from home. So the fact we've recorded a podcast an hour and 40 minutes after, when she thinks we're starting, to see now, I want to see.

Jody: 9:50

I want to see get angry at you. That's what I want. I'm dragging this out as much as possible?

David: 9:54

Yeah, she is this work.

Jody: 9:56

Is this work, though? Or is it just two friends having a chat?

David: 10:00

Two, but I'm not allowed to make another cup of tea, so when I went down to get the tea for this episode, she's like that's the last one. That's the last one. I clarified if coffee was allowed, as you know, because obviously I don't find it worse.

Jody: 10:12

I find the loopholes. Have you been like this before?

David: 10:18

Well, deliriously happy and just joyful.

Jody: 10:22

I was thinking more. She has Starlin'ist, she was once.

David: 10:30

The no, we have a, we have a playful arrangement of the rules that we do generally because I understand. I want to make it happy, so you know, and also I will go into the office afterwards because I work better from there, anyway, so, but but the bad stuff, what have we got to talk about? So we on the top end, let's talk firstly about the ensuing battle that is happening this Christmas that the podcast-listers need to get involved with.

Jody: 10:58

Oh, my goodness, what are we remembering this? Well, we're calling it a battle. I've got a distinct idea that this is gonna be pretty one-sided. I did think. It's gonna be absolutely trouts. It is literally gonna be the most unequal battle that's ever happened. But yes, Jenny, Jenny Hartley from BBRC, she has put together a showdown, a showdown for run up to Christmas, which is a virtual-.

David: 11:30

Not a ho-down.

Jody: 11:31

Not a ho-down. Not a ho-down, not a ho-down. Have you ever been to a ho-down before?

David: 11:36

I've been to a ho no, not having no, no, never.

Jody: 11:41

Never Some combination of those words has happened, but not the thing you're thinking about.

David: 11:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jody: 11:48

So basically this isn't the-.

David: 11:50

This isn't the Peter Crouch podcast.

Jody: 11:51

This is-.

David: 11:53

If it's called back to women's running episode, then no one's listened to it for some reason, because the way it was done is really why.

Jody: 11:58

If you don't listen to the women's running episode, you're a misogynist. It's as simple as that, yeah.

David: 12:02

What is your?

Jody: 12:03

issue with women. Do you not think they should be allowed on podcasts? Unbelievable.

David: 12:06

Yeah, and we don't let them on our podcast normally so, but we did a special with them and it's brilliant we get-. They were late, so we got drunk first. They then turned up and bedlammed in shoes Listen, if you haven't listened to the women's running episode and also they're super fun and great and lovely.

Jody: 12:23

Like it's been a holiday. The thing about the women's running podcast is that, contrary to what you might think, it is actually edited. It may feel like it's literally for people shouting at each other, but it has been edited. It was worse than that, which is very very hard to believe.

David: 12:40

Yeah, and we should do it again A Christmas special. When I come back from Thailand, we're gonna put one of them because that was really fun.

Jody: 12:49

But yes, so run up to Christmas virtual events so basically, run Up to Christmas is an event that's put on generally, but what we do, we're entering two teams into this. We're entering a do badder team and one for the Bad Boy Running Club members, which is basically like putting the cool kids against the nerds, and the nerds are always going to win, aren't they? So it's yeah. I remember that film.

David: 13:13

Rise of the Nerds. Revenge of the Nerds, Revenge of the Nerds. That's it.

Jody: 13:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is what you have to do. There are posts, so I'm gonna explain this badly, but there are posts in both the BBRC group and the Bad Boy Running Podcast group. If you're not in the Facebook group, head over to Facebook type of Bad Boy Running Podcast podcast.

David: 13:31

Answer three questions and join them and to show you how easy it is, because I haven't signed up yet. I'm gonna sign up while you're explaining it, just so that people can realize even this idiot.

Jody: 13:39

So you need to do in order to do this, you need to go to runthingscouk forward slash events, forward slash run-up-2-Christmas-2023. That makes for great podcasting.

David: 13:57

Have you ever heard Pete Tong when he first the internet suddenly arrives and he's on radio one describing how you can get involved and he's like forward slash hyphen and nothing. Nothing was at least. Now we've got things like short earn or we actually know how to it would, and he reads out the whole website while it's like this drum and bass in the background, Www bot radio one show slash Pete tongs hyphen and it's amazing, Absolutely amazing.

Jody: 14:30

Like anyone. I do remember it went on for ages. He was talking for like 10 minutes, wasn't it? It's like who is following this? No one is listening to this Like. Why are you?

David: 14:39

Everyone's off their face. They're off their face already, so right.

Jody: 14:43

I mean, I've been there. Yeah, you were like is this, is this part of the song, or are you actually trying to get us to sign up for something? It's very, very hard to tell. Yeah, so, so, yeah, so it costs 14 pounds to enter. You need to use the discount code bad boy, and you get a medal according to how far you run or walk and the profits go to mind. So the whole thing is run for Mind Mental Health Charity. Because BBRC is so loaded, it has so much cash to splash around that if you enter, you get a special gift, and there's also spot prizes which are in owners, even special gifts. There's going to be a lot of updates and stuff as well in the in the BBRC group. I don't know about the Do Badder group. I don't know about the general the bad boy podcast. Whether Jenny will update them as well. I feel as though she's batting very much for the BBRC side. So run up to Christmas 2023. So you're going to run things in the events thing Enter now, click, join Team. So that's the important thing. So you search for either do badders or bad boy running club and make sure that you join the right one and then make sure that you also add the bad boy. Bad BOY, you struggle with spelling that for the discount and then get in the group. Get in the group, tell us you're doing it, yeah, yeah.

David: 16:07

And lay down some chats. Well, lay down some smack talk. Yeah, absolutely Do we join a team, is that? Yeah, that's it.

Jody: 16:17

Join the do badders or bad boy running club. Literally just said that.

David: 16:21

Yeah, but I wasn't listening to you because I was. I was having to concentrate on the page rather than by all. I almost went club on podcast, don't I? Although I am?

Jody: 16:31

in the club as well, and there's no. We are both.

David: 16:32

Oh, we just do badders. Gotcha Makes sense, right? So I have been drunkenly emailing future guests, that's who have you been?

Jody: 16:49

That's brilliant. That's exactly exactly what what you should be doing. I take it they're not future guests. Now We've got more enemies of the podcast Brilliant.

David: 17:00

True, true, true. And so if you're not up to speed of what's been going on with UTMB versus the running community, one of the one of our favorite people, who we interviewed at the run show last year, gary Robbins amazing, amazing runner.

Jody: 17:17

We've never had on the podcast. We've never had on the podcast.

David: 17:21

He did agree to come on and then I forgot to email back. So that is kind of my bad, but I'd be messaging him about. I'd message and said just about this oh, this is this. The intensity of the thought process goes into our email. So I don't think I read this one when I was drunk. First one was just realized we never did a potty, just had about the UTMB situation, such tracks. So sorry to hear, buddy, if you want to do a potty about this, let me know, we'd love to have you on. So he then replies explain the situation. He's. He's not looking to like come out to have a handily against them and like create any issues, because you don't really want to do that. But also, let's, let's interview up one when it's kind of settled down. I then replied this is so. This is the junk, and one I do. The question is can you tell that I've written this one on junk To say cheers, buddy, irrelevant of interview. I hate UTMB brackets or they trail runner magazine journalists. I love and still fit them to be good people, but anything we can do to help, just say I have no proper sponsors, so no limiting ties. In short, I'm happy to go to war on this. Anything we can do to help will double down on. So, would you say. I mean it's a supportive message isn't it.

Jody: 18:41

Yeah, I'd say so.

David: 18:44

Would you? Would you know that you know me better than pretty much anyone? Does that sound like a drunken message? Because I remember reading it on the on the top of a bus, on the night bus, thinking yeah, there's a lot to do about that. I think that's good.

Jody: 19:00

I don't, I don't, I think. I think it's surprising. I think you're normally males and your normal message is surprising you're not drunk when you're writing those, so it makes your drunk ones consistent.

David: 19:14

It's clever. It's clever to act drunk all the time.

Jody: 19:17

Absolutely. I've always said. I've always said that you know, if you it, that's the way to do things like if you're boring, like if you are an accountant or something like that you're boring, then you know chat GPT is going to be great for you because you can literally use that and people go. I just sounds just like him.

David: 19:39

So you just, I like the fact you've chosen all accountants there. That's good, that's good.

Jody: 19:43

Well, I'm just thinking about triathletes. They tend to be, don't they? They?

David: 19:47

do tend to be. This is true, this is true. So, um, that is, we're hoping to get Gary on in the near future, but once the dust settled, basically so we can then dissect it, but also we're hoping to get on the other side. This is so. This is interesting because we've done. Dan Barrett messaged about the whole situation as well, because he loves to like feed in good information and stories and all that. And he was saying one of the issues is there is no person from UTMB for us to be like God. It's because of that person. It's just the evil empire. Yes, and whether that makes it harder for people to almost rally against it.

Jody: 20:30

I think. I think it's better. I think it's better to have a nebulous enemy, like in 1984 or, like you know, like Brexit. The EU, you have individuals within it that you hate, but the general, they're just the idea of it. The idea of it, you know, is enough to rally around. I think as soon as you involve people, they'll always be someone going hashtag be kind, there's still a person. It's bullying, but soon it doesn't matter who it is.

David: 21:00

Hitler, I'm bullying.

Jody: 21:01

Hitler was allowed today and he was killing people and stuff like that. People would be like, oh, but just think about his feelings as well. He is a person as well, so you know he had a difficult childhood difficult childhood he was bullied.

David: 21:14

He was bullied himself, so he didn't get into art school and that must.

Jody: 21:18

There must be trauma for him around that.

David: 21:21

Yeah, yeah. So we also have one of the other big stories we can talk about. We've got all. Firstly, bad boy running has been featured in the equivalent of Times Square in Nepal in an advert God damn it.

Jody: 21:41

Is there an equivalent of Times Square in Nepal? That's Google's, if it comes out.

David: 21:49

The equivalent of Times Square in Nepal. There's Times Square restaurant Kathmandu. This is where Google's not that good, is it? What is Kathmandu famous for? Times Square, nepal, no, so it's not clever enough, but it's the main junction with advertising boards. We could have said Picadilly Circus, but yeah, there is a video for the next three weeks. If anyone's passing through Kathmandu, go to the place that feels like Times Square and look at the videos, because Nick from Impact Marathon he's got a mather on there I don't know why or how and Chris Holton, dubaida extraordinaire, is featured as one of the runners in that video. So, chris Holton, we salute you, not only former guest on the show but now international advertising model for Bad Boy Running, and Nick did clarify that Chris did press-ups at the end of that marathon as well. So big shout out to Impact Marathon and to then a Paul Marathon, and to Chris Holton, like the words finally getting out.

Jody: 23:13

That's great, that's good. I like it. How many listeners do we have in the pool?

David: 23:22

I mean, it's not how many we have, it's how many are we going to have.

Jody: 23:28

It's all about potential growth.

David: 23:31

Now, exactly Now. We sometimes rake Brighton Marathon and Half Marathon and Manchester Marathon and quite a few Marathons, forgetting their distances wrong.

Jody: 23:45

But not being Marathons. Raise on Dettra. If you're not a marathon and you're called a marathon, what are you?

David: 23:55

Yeah, you're Snickers.

Jody: 23:58

Do you know why Snickers is called?

David: 23:59

Snickers no.

Jody: 24:07

It's named after a horse. That's the name of the, the horse. The horse's name. The horse loved Chocolabar. The horse was called Snickers, that's why the manufacturer called it Snickers and it is the same colour as the Chocolabar I don't think there's any connection between how a Chocolabar looks and the thing. I think they just named it.

David: 24:35

Wow, so it could have been Red Run, or how many horses do I know? Sherga, black Beauty?

Jody: 24:42

Wow, how many horses, do you know, come on.

David: 24:47

Party politics.

Jody: 24:49

Party politics, yeah, party politics.

David: 24:52

Yeah, there you go. It was an outsider. Was it an outsider as?

Jody: 24:56

well.

David: 24:57

Massive outsider, my knob. That is a horse name. I remember it from some comedy show, or whether that's just the idea for a horse name, oh yeah.

Jody: 25:12

It's a very advanced teamer today on the podcast. It's a very advanced teamer.

David: 25:17

But would you be annoyed if Peru's Kimberly Garcia thought she'd set a new world record in the 20K race walk at the Pan American Games in San Diego, chile? However, officials later insisted that the record wouldn't have stand as the course had been measured incorrectly. Oh my God, so you set a world record at a Pan American Games. It's not even as if you've turned up to a random small race. The Pan American. Come on Chile. What the hell is going on?

Jody: 25:50

And why can't you sue for stuff like that? Because that will have an impact on things like sponsorship and you know appearance fees and things like that. Why can you not sue for someone not doing their job? When is it going to happen? I ask this every time this happens.

David: 26:09

Wait, who do you? Ask Ben? This is why it doesn't change when you're saying when is this going to change? I ask this every time.

Jody: 26:17

If there's someone out there who's a lawyer, can they explain why people are not suing for this? Is there something about it? I imagine it's some contractual thing that they can get out of. Do you think such a fundamental thing around? You know, an event that has such a massive impact on someone that wins it or is competing to get it when it's qualification or something like that, and then it's disqualified because it doesn't stand Like, why is there not legal action taken?

David: 26:51

Ray's Harvey was a lawyer. She's now a 223-mile-athlete runner, so she'd get her involved because she's no longer lawyering. She's got the skills, but she understands running, Although this is race walking. She'd probably hate them. Yeah, she'd probably change the markings herself.

Jody: 27:05

And also, is she the right type of lawyer? What type of lawyer was she?

David: 27:08

She's a lawyer, that's right.

Jody: 27:10

Really aggressive one. She'll sue your ass for anything, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what it was.

David: 27:16

That's all I knew. I didn't have a follow-up question of oh what type of law, because she wasn't really on the podcast to talk about her law experience. I mean, we could do it again if you wanted as a follow-up, but did you see Carla talking about records?

Jody: 27:35

Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before we count it. I just wanted to ask a question Did we ever talk about that race where like 22,000 people were disqualified?

David: 27:45

We didn't really talk about it extensively because I was trying to get someone from the race to come on.

Jody: 27:50

That was it yes.

David: 27:52

But their websites in Spanish. I've got no idea how to contact them.

Jody: 27:56

You got hammered in an email and I got hammered in an email and I explained how I've got no sponsors, no ties and but you did it all in the accent of Manuel, from 40 Towers, so Certainly did I think he was Spanish.

David: 28:13

I was writing in and yeah, so I've attempted to contact the organization and actually I found it so confusing to actually do that that I've not succeeded. So, no, we haven't. Everybody talked about that. What is what would you like to discuss?

Jody: 28:32

Well, that's a lot of people, isn't it? That's a lot of people. What was it so? What was the? What were the circumstances around it? Was it a cheating thing?

David: 28:42

Off the top of my head, I believe it was a lot of people who took a very, very big shortcut, and they then were all disqualified. So, in fact, I've still got it in our. It's a Daily Mail version of it, though. Oh, I don't want to click on this. I'm going to do a search.

Jody: 29:01

Don't pretend that you don't read it. We all know you do.

David: 29:05

So I'm going to. Well, it's how I connected your parents.

Jody: 29:08

Is it the Mexico marathon?

David: 29:10

It was indeed. I'm going to Google search it. So we don't give any dollar to Daily Mail Reuters, here we go. So they disqualified 11,000.

Jody: 29:18

11,000,. That was it.

David: 29:20

I mean that is a lot. I wonder if they emailed them all individually, and that's over a third of the people that started the race. So they missed checkpoints that were in place every five kilometers.

Jody: 29:39

And it doesn't say they're not using cars and public transport, it's just thousands of others have previously been disqualified from the race. It's got form.

David: 29:53

So 6,000 in 2017, 3,000 in 2018. And yeah, I mean that. It's weird, isn't it, why you try it in a race where people have so many people have been disqualified. That, to me, suggests you probably won't get away with it.

Jody: 30:12

I don't, I don't know what. If I was Mexican marathon, I'd turn this into a. I'd turn it into a point of differentiation. It's the marathon that you have to try and cheat on. That's what it should become, because that's what it's becoming anyway.

David: 30:29

What do you think? They ran out of medals, and so is their way of cleverly being like yeah, that's, it's not our fault.

Jody: 30:36

Yeah, that's it. That's the way to do it. Everyone's disqualified.

David: 30:40

But do bad as who do we know from this organization? Because whenever I've seen statements from the organization, it's never from anyone. It doesn't mention the name of an individual Race. Organizers said in a statement is how it always comes back. So I'd still love to introduce someone from the organization or someone who is from Mexico that truly understand. Actually, I'm gonna message Carrie Carcelio and ask her if she's got any links to this race. She's a trail runner from Mexico, but you never know, she starts somewhere and it will leave Former guest as well. Carrie talked, brilliant guest. So we will get to the bottom of this. We will root this out Because it's what our audience deserve. But the did you see that Carla broke the 50K world record? No, I didn't see that. So she won the world champs. Completely wrong thing to say.

Jody: 31:38

No, no, I didn't see that.

David: 31:39

Amazing, and so this was last weekend, and what really intrigued me actually was all the footage I saw of her. She's all, they're running like the three Bricks. Three Bricks females are all running together, it seems, throughout the race, which to me seems almost madness, cause surely they're all different paces and they're going for a different time and a different finish. So you'd expect. It just surprises me that they seem to have grouped together for so long. But do we think, do you think, we should have a 50K world championships? So any eight came more than a mouth, and I know it's. I think, I know it's a round number, it's half of a hundred, which I believe is why it happens, but do you think it's?

Jody: 32:36

significantly different enough to deserve it? I don't think so, cause it's not as if it's different disciplines, not as if you like. There's this very specific way that you train for a 50K as opposed to a marathon. It's a 50K trail race, or you know that makes that these aren't trial, are they?

David: 32:56

No, this is right. And if you think that the difference between that, the race below it and the race below that is 13 miles between a half and a marathon?

Jody: 33:08

Yeah, absolutely.

David: 33:09

And then it's five miles difference, to just kind of top it up. Which?

Jody: 33:13

Yeah, it's a bit. Yeah, it is. I mean it would make sense to, to going up to a hundred K, but yeah, it's not, it's just it's not significant, I don't. I think I think there's a kind of a jump, isn't there? You do like 26 miles and then I think, as soon as you start getting into I don't know why, I have it in my head like 38, 40 miles above that. I think there's something different happens. You know you need to, you need to be thinking like substantially differently and acting differently. 50, you know a 50 mile race is different from a marathon, obviously. But yeah, you're right, 50k, doesn't? You're like what is the? What is the advantage that someone that runs 50Ks all the time would have over a marathon runner?

David: 33:57

And it does seem as if, if you look at the people who are who've done well, they're all opto runners. It's not attracted people up, it's not dragged in a if you think of the level of marathon running and it's, there's not been someone who's like, well, I'm top 20 marathon in the world, I'll just run a bit further. It that seemed to not work. So I don't know whether there's just not enough kudos, not enough awareness, not enough prize money, or whether potentially marathon runners are genuinely scared of those extra eight miles. They 8K because they know how bad the last six miles of a marathon are and they might be thinking oh Christ, imagine adding, imagine that being 11 miles of all of that.

Jody: 34:48

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I wonder, if it is that I suppose you are you trained for your distance and if you're obsessed with that distance, then you yeah, I suppose you do you probably would think about it differently as a, as a season marathon runner, because you just think, well, where do what? What difference? So does it make you know where it's actually like?

David: 35:11

like the Spanish team. So in the men's, spain dominated, taking the three podium places. Wow, that is the. The winner is going to 211 marathon time, which actually that as what I'd imagine the Spanish marathon top marathon runner. That's not far off being one of the top marathon runners for Spain, whereas Carla, I think she's probably on a like a high 220s, 230ish marathon. So it seems like some of the men had thought actually let's step this up for a marathon, whereas it seems like it's more the ox runners have come down to this into the 50k. So whether this will be the same in five years time, 10 years time, 20 years time as an event or not, why do it?

Jody: 36:09

Why do it? What is the purpose of it? Is it to attract people up into a slightly higher distance?

David: 36:15

Is it yeah, I don't know whether it's been who's driving driving this, whether it's the.

Jody: 36:23

Mexican runners mainly yes true, true, true.

David: 36:28

Whether it's the, but, it is the IAU world championship. So it is actually the international athletics behind this.

Jody: 36:42

Yeah, because the thing is it would make, it does make sense adding like longer distances and stuff like that, because when you go into ultras there is the element of you having to think about completely different things. It levels the playing field a little bit more because people that are experienced in it know about nutrition, they know about pacing, they know about that. It isn't necessarily about going out hard and holding on or things like that. So you think it would make sense to add those one. Add those disciplines, because it's not just about who's fastest I don't know. 50k, like you say. Literally just someone steps up from the marathon and if they're faster than the marathon, they're just going to win another discipline. They're just the same people winning another discipline.

David: 37:25

Yeah, because you'd almost want. That's the intriguing thing is what do we think the distance? Is that where it changed? If you had the world's best ultra runner road ultra runner, say at 100 miles, and the world's best marathon runner, what is the distance that we think it would be? Even between them? Typically without thinking the individuals right now not saying it's Camille versus, but where would we say actually the advantage changes from the marathon runner's speed over to the ultra runner's endurance and experience.

Jody: 38:11

Because that's the distance. That's the point that you want a couple of miles higher than that, two meters past that. Exactly. But yeah, I suppose it's just wondering why do it in the first place.

David: 38:28

Yeah, we'll ask that in the group today. That's our question for the group is what is the distance? We believe that like the best 100 mile road runner in the world and the best marathon runner, where they potentially even finish. Because that's quite interesting how people rate those two individuals, because it might be that some people think the best marathon runner would win 100 mile and they just went for it? Yeah, it might be. But yeah, we'll ask that in the group to see.

Jody: 39:07

Now, I'm aware that it wouldn't be distance, it's just it would be terrain, like literally just put them on a trail and then the difference would be very, very, very quick, I think very early in that race.

David: 39:23

Yeah, but then with Gonja we've seen it doesn't take much to adapt to terrain. So for some runners, well, I need to leave the house soon because she's not around the door glaring at you she is starting to burn my stuff, but well, anything else to cover today, or should we? we will try to think of what we've got to feedback from the group, but we will do some catch ups from the group next time. So get in the Facebook group, sign up for the race. I have now signed up as a doobada, and in fact your friends to join doobadas, because if anything that's the advantage the podcast has is there's an unlimited number of people that can sign up for the podcast. So as a running club membership, you actually technically be a member. So maybe we can just flood it with thousands of Strava groups people bringing down the average.

Jody: 40:21

Yeah, brilliant yeah.

David: 40:24

I was about the average distance.

Jody: 40:26

I don't know. I haven't got a clue.

David: 40:30

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David: 41:00

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Jody: 41:23

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David: 41:30

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