Ep 525 | TBS - The Problem With Jody's Nuts...

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Welcome to Baddest of Bad Boy Running. This week we talk about why Roger Ballester didn't win Sportsperson Lads in the Year the year that he won, well, the year that he did the stuff 4-Minute Mile. We also talk about JD, who's got some new challenges coming up Four laps of winter nuts. I talk about my 10k PB that I've just set oh, my days, amazing. And we also talk about missed jokes in marketing opportunities and how heartbreaking that is, and some great feedback from the do-badders on classic signs that someone's a newbie runner. And also how film and TV how they portray newbie runners the telltale signs that are always wrong. So take it away, boys.

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They're bad, they're boys and occasionally they talk about running. Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your hosts Jody Rainsford and David Heller. Come back, baby, come back.

Speaker 1: 1:06

But if I by by by, by, by by by by by. I must admit, I was a clone to be messing around. But daddy doesn't mean that you have to leave. Don't come back. Hello, jd Rainsford, Hello do-badders.

Speaker 2: 1:24

How are we doing? Hey David, how are you? How's the? Have you been breastfeeding this morning?

Speaker 1: 1:32

I've warmed some milk and then he didn't need it, so it's your bag.

Speaker 2: 1:36

Oh my God, I was going to say to you one of the things because we were talking about the other day and I was talking to David about things that are really annoying when you have children, which you only realize when you have children. One of the most annoying things is food waste. Oh my God, it's just every time I go downstairs to see all the stuff that I've purchased and they have not eaten. Food waste is the most frustrating, and all the amount of time it takes you to create something or for someone to create something, for them to say they don't want it because of some inane reason that you just cannot. Or you open a packet of crisps when they were younger. You open a packet of crisps and they won't eat it because you didn't open it from the right side. You're like, oh my God, this is.

Speaker 1: 2:30

I think you've got to be a firm parent, mate.

Speaker 2: 2:31

We're, oh my God, don't, oh, you have just said the stupidest thing in the history of parents Amazing. Okay, I cannot wait. I cannot wait. What do you think? Oh my God. It's like people who say, oh, do you know, my kids will never go on an iPad. Oh my God, oh my.

Speaker 1: 2:48

God, I don't know, you're my God. Come on, let's have a little bit. Let's have a little bit. We starved. We weren't allowed to leave the table. We starved until we got yesterday's food back. We didn't eat it. We wouldn't get any pudding, just yeah, and that's the iPad thing. I do think our kid will use screens at some point. But food wise, yeah, I'm like right, okay, mate, it's you against me, man, let's have it, dude.

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We have sat at a table for hours and hours and hours. You are, oh my God, you've brilliant. I can't wait.

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You don't realise how stubborn this guy is, though that thing what you think you're going to beat a baby.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Oh my God, it's a chance man. You are going to come up and get. Herc is going to beat you. You are going to have to get used to losing again and again, and again and again and again, publicly, in a humiliating way. You don't know what you're going to get. Herc is going to win everything. You are going to be a clean sweep all the time, every single time. It's like you are going to be Wrexham and he is going to be man City. You haven't got a chance.

Speaker 1: 3:55

He's sat on the step outside at the moment in the cold with a bottle of milk and he's not coming in until he's finished it.

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Did you ever see those images of those kids in cages that they used to do in the 1930s or whatever? They used to put kids in cages on the outside of buildings.

Speaker 1: 4:22

Is that right?

Speaker 2: 4:24

It sounds so ridiculous, but this whole idea is that they are supposed to be outside in the cold or whatever. But if you lived in an apartment block, the only place you could do is you could put one in a cage. It's the most frightening looking thing.

Speaker 1: 4:35

It's like an air conditioning unit, but it's a cage with a child in it. Was this in England or was this in communist?

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Russia.

Speaker 1: 4:44

New York it's the coldest place on earth in the winter.

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They used to be thinking that if you watched any of the parenting, there was a whole series of TV shows that were about different types of parenting. There was one where they'd have some kids and they were like little shits, and then what they'd do is someone would come in and do, oh, this is like 50 style parenting, and they'd do that in a week, and then someone come in this is 70 style and then they come in and they do 90 style, which is basically just let them do whatever the fuck they want Sugar. Yeah, exactly that's it. And so, but in the 50s, when it was always like you know, with the babies, you'd leave them outside in the cold in a push chair because that's what you were told to do, and my mum was like, yeah, that's what we used to do with you. And I'm like, oh, that looks cruel, just leave us outside in the cold. Yeah, because the children need the cold. I'm like what the fuck? Like what? What does that even mean? No, it's weird. I better tell.

Speaker 1: 5:58

Can you bring Hercules in from outside, please? I never watched the second episode of that TV show.

Speaker 2: 6:12

I just I got some of it. I got some of it, I just didn't get all of it and everything.

Speaker 1: 6:16

Mate, I've got a new personal best. I've got a new PB. Oh for what 10K.

Speaker 2: 6:24

Oh, why? Okay, oh yeah, how was it?

Speaker 1: 6:28

It was weird. It was strange. Where's the last time you raced, raced? Oh God, I can't remember. I've forgotten how well the good thing is actually, because I've not normally raced 5Ks, 10ks. The great thing about it you need to do fuck all in advance, you don't need to carb load, you don't have to traipse across town, you just have a normal life, get up and run it, which actually is really nice. But we're back at where one of the greatest locations, the Olympic Park, of course. How is a 10K fall lapse in the Olympic Park?

Speaker 2: 7:11

Fall lapse.

Speaker 1: 7:13

Yeah, crazy, and also it's a lovely event. This isn't the one that's really complicated, is it? I've done the half marathon there before. This is with Run Through, who are really nice organization, and the half marathon is back where I think do badders should take it on and try and run as aggressive cornering as possible and the winner is the person who has the shortest distance on their Strava. This wasn't that, because the root was there are quite a few turns, but it wasn't crazy intricate. It was more a couple of squares with a link together over a bridge. But you're starting 5K and 10K together and you're doing full apps. So the level of intensity of runners, to start with one, I'm not used to starting with that many people ahead of me because I've not raced in years, so I've forgotten. Not only am I not fast anymore, but also running's moved on.

Speaker 2: 8:28

It's just not delusional anymore. That's all. That's good. It's good. The reality is here, yeah, but even in our minds we've always put those people in front of you.

Speaker 1: 8:39

But if you think about seven, eight years ago, there are far more fast runners now than there are then.

Speaker 2: 8:45

If you were looking at people who are I agree with you, but it does sound like you do sound mental as well. I can say something like that. I agree with you. I know exactly what you mean, but it sounds like the rantings of a nutcase. Yeah, but People are far quicker these days than they were in the old days.

Speaker 1: 9:03

But not only are there super shoes, but actually I think Park Run has meant.

Speaker 2: 9:08

Don't pick. People have brought Don't Pick to much smaller events now, and that is.

Speaker 1: 9:14

Yeah, but so, and it's a great thing for society, but there are more people running 5Ks, 10ks, than there were five years ago, 10 years ago, and they're faster and they're wearing super shoes.

Speaker 2: 9:27

That's the thing. I think. People get very obsessed with ultras and the rise of ultras, but what we do forget the rise of ultras has been nothing compared with the rise of the amount of people doing 5Ks and 10Ks, which has been far more complex. It's just not as interesting, apart from the Park Run stories. Not as interesting because ultras have this sort of lore around them and stuff. But the rise of the 5K and the 10K. The 10K, I think, is the most popular distance, I think, for the majority of people who call themselves runners, so, but you kind of forget that.

Speaker 1: 10:07

Who call themselves runners. That's a little bit of a Well I call themselves, Do you? Who's that dick? I don't know. I was trying to label themselves.

Speaker 2: 10:18

Well, no, I was. So the opposite of saying it that way is saying that the 10K is the most popular distance, which I don't know if you necessarily said. Well, I say people who are training for races, I think 10K is most popular. I don't know how to say the statistic without getting it wrong, but I think the majority of people, because marathon is a very popular distance, but people, I think, who run on a so regular runners prefer 10Ks? Yeah, that's what, yeah, regular runners? I think 10K is more, and it's grown. It's grown massively, hasn't it?

Speaker 1: 10:58

Yeah, and actually the. But starting a race 5K and 10K together when it's already, it just means that you start, and I was looking like wow, I know I'm not what I used to be, but there seem to be thousands of people ahead of me.

Speaker 2: 11:13

Do you. And so how? Because I imagine that you can be quite Dispassionate about that. I don't think you could be that bothered. But how does that? Does something around your ego kick in at this point? Because there's lots of other little things. It's like I'll just become a dad, can't lose my age. I haven't done this distance for a while. Does anything else like that kick in?

Speaker 1: 11:43

Not yet. Actually it's because that's what's good about running, because times are times, right, and you know what you were, you know where you are. So actually you're coming into it and thinking.

Speaker 2: 11:55

Yeah, it's your entire status.

Speaker 1: 11:57

Your entire status. But also do you, you just?

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know, are you better now than you were? And if you're not, what's the point? Like carry on?

Speaker 1: 12:09

You've got to create these little girls. But also I haven't started a race with caffeine in my system for years because you wouldn't do that in altruism or marathons or the like, and so I took some caffeine before.

Speaker 2: 12:24

That also the listeners are going what?

Speaker 1: 12:27

What? Well, because I've not raced anything short in years and years and years. And so actually starting and having this flood of people ahead of me and being pumped of caffeine, it's bloody hard to not run too fast. At the start, oh my God, and I was pacing out thinking this is insanity, that, looking around, thinking, are these people this quick? Surely not, but actually most of them were.

Speaker 2: 12:58

But also age wise. How old were the people around you? Was it a real mix?

Speaker 1: 13:03

The.

Speaker 2: 13:05

I'm trying to remember now how expensive was the 10K, because this is the other thing. Is it like the same price as an ultra, like how much was it?

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It was something like 25 quid Around those yeah yeah. Because run through are really cheap. They, that's their model. They Wow, they're kind of Things they're not even know thrills. They are well run Like when you turned up and there was Christmas hats.

Speaker 2: 13:31

They've got incredible sponsor?

Speaker 1: 13:34

No, what it is, and actually it do bad. Should we speak to Matt Wood, who set up run through? His dad is the guy who's the absolute beast. You know when, about four years ago, there was a guy in his 50s 60s who looks like Arnie, just smashing all these times? Yeah, absolute, that's his dad. But we could interview Matt Wood about it because, from what I can tell, their business model started off as we just turn up at a park. We don't you pick up your bib number on the day and we're not making loads of money off each race, but we're doing loads and loads of races and so I think they make a. They're now. They had lots of volunteers and it's A lot of. You do look at races and think how does it cost so much? Where does the money go? And their model.

Speaker 2: 14:34

I thought it's normally two things, isn't it? It's insurance and the cost of hiring that you know, closing the roads or hiring things and I think a lot of things with ultras and stuff is that a lot of councils and stuff have got wise to it and have started charging them more, which creates a cost. But also, I think the benefit of London is that volunteers can get there cheaply, which I think negatively affects places where people are going to drive, going to go distance. You know volunteers are going to spend a lot of their own money, whereas it's the cost of your time in a tube ticket, isn't it? I?

Speaker 1: 15:13

think probably what they've done well, and actually let's get them on, let's chat to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah but good, I suspect volunteers are free because they've got a real community around them, but also a lot of their runs are in parks and as we've as we know from the Half-Manethala did I said it was the most intricate one I think they've not come at it from a. We need to design courses that are going to be as fast as possible, to set personal bests, like to set PBs. They've come at it and thought let's put a run in this park. How do we do that? Oh, it's three loops up a hill, whereas everyone else is like right to do a Half-Manethala and to do a 10K. We're going to have to close down all the roads. We need to not go through that bit because that will slow them down. So we need to do this road that has to be straight there, whereas they've just said let's put a race on in this park, in this area, and they've almost, I think they've probably cherry-picked locations that are good for cheaply putting on a race. Yeah, but to achieve that, you're sacrificing certain elements of races that you might See. It's a real mix of people there, but I imagine I get the sense. To start with, it wasn't club runners, it was people who were thinking oh, I'm going to sign up for a 10K. I've got no expectation of what a 10K is. This is cheap. I turn up, everyone seems nice, I've done my 10K. Oh great, wasn't that good? Rather than thinking, wait, wait, why wasn't this, why wasn't that? I think they had a lot of new people coming into the sport with forgiving eyes because they were new and it was a nice organization. But, yeah, let's ask, we'll get Woody on my message him. But also, it's bloody confusing when you're doing full laps. Firstly I'm going oh my God, I'm running too fast, I need to slow down here. But also you're thinking are these all 5k runners ahead of me? Yeah, they must all be 5k runners, they must be. Surely I'm not this far back.

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And then you never know. Did they have bottles of Lucas Ate Sport that they were downing beforehand? Is that the they?

Speaker 1: 17:32

all had sweat bands. They all had head bands yeah, cotton t-shirts. Knee braces cotton t-shirts yeah, absolutely. But then after lap one, and you suddenly realize, well, you're catching the bat markers. And so there was this hope, as I was going round, that after, on the second lap, all these people would be pulling in to finish their 5k and I'd be like, oh wow, I'm suddenly really high up the positionings. But you've no idea, because, well, partly because I was so far off the quick runners, but also, you're then running through hundreds of people on the laps and so you've just got no sense of who's ahead of you, and but actually I was way back anyway, but it's, it's such a different it wasn't what I'd prepared for mentally to then being like, right now it's time for some aggressive cornering. And it became quite fun because there was, I think, the guy, who was a guy called Tim, who was turned out was second for that 45, he was ahead of me and I could see him ahead of me on lap two or three and then I was just tracking him down by running more aggressive lines and I was. I was taking real joy in seeing him doing all this extra mileage, having to overtake people, not having a great, a great racing line, but yeah, fuck me, it's. It's hard when you're. I was on pace until mile four and even on mile two I was feeling pretty tired because I hadn't, I was just knackered and and yeah, I double dropped caffeine which I hadn't done in years either, and finished with some guy pipped me on the line out, sprang me twat. But also I was like, damn you, that's what I'd have done. And yeah, I wanted, I wanted some 37. I got four seconds under, which actually I was really pleased by because I didn't think I was going to do it coming into it. I didn't think I was going to do it halfway round or even like 20% of the way around, and and and now I'm like actually this is just it's, it's, I was so, it was just so nice, because for me, I think it's, it almost has given me belief that if I do find the time to train, my body will respond and I will respond and I will improve. And for a long time, my body's, because I've not been able to train well, or for a long period of all these things, my I've just not felt that I'm making significant progress, whereas now I do think if I were to suddenly have the time to be able to train hard, that I might be able to return to the kind of runner I was.

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If I suddenly had the time to be able to train hard, to be able to train hard or the, or the motivation.

Speaker 1: 20:35

But this is part of the motivation, you know.

Speaker 2: 20:39

So how quick? How quick is your PB? If you don't mind me asking.

Speaker 1: 20:44

I haven't got one because 10k is not a time that I never really raced, so I've run faster 10ks in half marathons. I might have even run a faster 10k. No, I wouldn't have run a faster 10k in a marathon, but yeah, I've run faster 10ks in half marathon. I've probably run faster 10ks in some races like man V series where I was running down. But yes, I have no idea. I think if I was, I could probably go sub 34, if I'd have been Comrade's fitness, mds fitness, but I never did that, so I don't know.

Speaker 2: 21:20

But my yeah 5k times that you guessed. So what did you do? What is your PB? So what did you do then in the race?

Speaker 1: 21:25

So, 36, 56, I think it was.

Speaker 2: 21:29

See, the thing is, you've made such errors. You've made such an error by trying. Ever, Because the thing is, I know that I could go out and I could probably do a 10k PB. Yeah, my 10k BBs bump about an hour and a half, because the last time, last time I did it, like I said, I was dressed as Buzz Lightyear, so I can start, I can start. When was that the PBs? That was 2014.

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2000.

Speaker 2: 21:57

I was still doing it for Ben's running. That's still right for Ben's running.

Speaker 1: 22:00

It was a mate, this is your year Next year, so not this year. This is a year. You've got 10 days.

Speaker 2: 22:06

It's interesting. It's interesting that you say that, because I was looking at different races and one of the races I was looking at was I'll going back to Winter Nuts and doing four laps, but it doesn't look like you can anymore. Really, it only looks like you can do two laps or Winter Nuts.

Speaker 1: 22:27

Interesting, which would make sense, right, I guess it's. If you're the not organiser and suddenly you haven't got the Obstacle Race League there and maybe OCR has died. Who wants to do four laps of Winter Nuts without that competition there?

Speaker 2: 22:51

Unless I'm totally missing something. But I did email to say why can't you do four anymore?

Speaker 1: 22:57

Why did you want to do four, though? What's the appeal of going back to? Because I'm surprised by that, just because not only do you have to get the fitness, but you also have to get the technique. It's bloody cold versus.

Speaker 2: 23:15

I can bundle my way around three laps quite easily. I just that twat bloody timed me out. But you had done quite a lot of training at the time I had done quite a lot of training. I've done a couple of sessions with Michael around technique and stuff. That's it. So the technique was that you pick that up and I'll go. You could see I didn't have any technique when it came to anything that was called the rope traverse or anything else like that stuff that you need to kind of work on, but basic stuff. I also had Lee as well that I could use him as a step, which was quite useful.

Speaker 1: 23:56

Well, how about we set you, if we get? We asked someone like Michael Ridgley, who knows the course incredibly well, to say what he would see is an equivalent time over two laps. Or we could ask Pete Pete Reed what he would see is an equivalent time over two laps, or finishing four laps, so that you can be set a target time that if you did that, you know to be able to get that time you'd have to be good enough that you would then be able to finish the four. Had that been on.

Speaker 2: 24:32

Yeah, I mean that's yeah. I suppose that's the thing to do, isn't it? Because I think you have to like learning the technique is quite important.

Speaker 1: 24:38

If I'd have learned any of the technique, I think yeah, well, it obviously done I wouldn't have been timed out by the the but also if they, if they've cut back on the four laps, there's a chance they've cut back on some of the obstacles because you suspect, I'd suspect that you wouldn't, you wouldn't put all of them on. If some of them are expensive, you'd start. If you're trimming your budgets, you'd probably start to trim some of the ones that you're like I actually that's costing me a fair bit, so it might be. It's even easier now.

Speaker 2: 25:12

Yeah, we don't say that, though, do you? You just say and global warming sophisticated global warming. Well, I said, I've just I've been, I would have been relying on climate change to help me through this one. Well, I just I think, is I mean?

Speaker 1: 25:28

wait, what are the dates of winter nuts?

Speaker 2: 25:31

Is the second of March.

Speaker 1: 25:33

Second of March and I've just checked the half marathon is in the Olympic Park. Oh mate, this is good news it's a third of March, so you could go back to back glory back to back.

Speaker 2: 25:51

Oh my god, that'd be great Winter nuts. Then half marathon I could do. I could do what I could possibly do. A Pb half marathon as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my half marathon Pb's rubbish.

Speaker 1: 26:10

Well, do bad, as we're going to have a vote. What should you do? Should he do half marathon, pb or two laps winter nuts?

Speaker 2: 26:18

But also, you've reminded me of a story that really frustrated me to be fair, if it's only two laps of winter nuts, I'm not going to go and do two laps of winter nuts, because two laps of winter nuts I've done before. Like I don't know it doesn't excite me. Anyway, I need to do four laps of winter nuts.

Speaker 1: 26:35

I need to do the four, four laps so we can ask if who is. I'm trying to remember the lovely gentleman that was in charge of nuts Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, if you're out there, can JD come at four in the morning to do two laps by himself?

Speaker 2: 26:56

before the start of winter it's like the good old days of doing the double for the marathon, chris, or the backwards London marathon. Yes, at G-law, and I would turn up, as it called, a couple of hours early and do test the course, as it were. I tell you what. I tell you what a nut challenge. It would be great if, in between each of the laps, there were beers and a bar snack. That would be the great winter beerathon.

Speaker 1: 27:32

Well, Wayne, if you're out there, can JD do that? Because if the answer is yes, we have ourselves a challenge. But that phrase has just made me remember something that really annoyed me the other day. Do you ever walk around and you see missed copywriting opportunities? How did you not see that?

Speaker 2: 27:51

Oh my god, I just missed, generally missed commercial opportunities all the time.

Speaker 1: 27:57

We walked past our local church and we heard there were carols and stuff. So we went in and there was this carols kind of random. You could sing where you were sat, but it wasn't a form of service. There was songs going on and people charging around. It was great because you could get a crap load of cheap cake. Basically is what what church seems to be very good for currently. But on the sign of the church it had and this is how middle class where we live is it had a you could come in and listen to, back with your baby. And the poster said something like baby and back. Oh, no, no, yeah. And I was like how how have you opportunity? You've got two words that All you need. You've just you just need to change one word and you've got one of the most.

Speaker 2: 29:01

From the jewels of victory that would have been the most photograph thing in that area. Like that is how you get the church on the map.

Speaker 1: 29:09

Come on oh my god, oh, and I, and I saw it's like I almost wanted to graffiti it Um, do it, but do it. But it was fine, but but I think it was even back and baby, there was even the wrong order of them. It's like oh, do you not realize? Or do you think they realized and and they're like we don't want to be associated with, with I don't think, I don't think that was wrapped, or so if anyone's and just think, do you think there is someone listening to this who hasn't got it yet? He doesn't know?

Speaker 2: 29:38

well, I think they're thinking one. Who you talking about? And we're talking about bark, of course. Um, but yes, but back. But come on from north, but bath, baths back. But um, you're talking about some mix a lot.

Speaker 1: 29:55

So mix a lot and we're not gonna say. We're not gonna say the phrase if you don't know it. In fact, we're gonna ask in the group what other marketing opportunities copyright our church is missing.

Speaker 2: 30:08

What other marketing opportunities? I Think I've got to say I don't think churches are great at marketing. I don't. It might be controversial. There was, um, there's a. I don't understand how churches work and stuff like that. I know that that's more of your bag, but I there's a, there's a church thing and it's like this alpha course thing which sounds Scientology like, which I don't really know about, but for a while it had a picture of Bear grills on it. Bear grills was doing some kind of like our course type thing and everything. And interestingly so that actually does just remind me of something else which I thought you'd find funny my kids. I walked into the room, they were. I heard them laughing, but laughing in a really kind of dirty ha ha ha, really mischievous way. So there's a On Netflix. You know, sometimes you get those games like interactive games, like you know that, like the black mirror one yeah, I mean what it was called now, but yeah, but they're interactive games and you get a bit boss baby. Another one there was one called man vs the wild and it was a bear grill. It was better. There's two of them bear grills ones, and bear grills go, is it? And then he gets landed somewhere, and then they've got to make choices about what he does. Nice and I walked in. I was like what are you doing? And they're going, oh, we're trying, we're trying our best to kill Bear Grills. So what they were trying to do is they were trying to make the worst decisions possible for him to die Is he terrible and they feel more of these scenes where he's is, unfortunately by anacondas. This was where, like, everything goes wrong because they make all the wrong decisions, and of course he gets really dramatic about it, goes oh, I, I don't know how much longer I'm going to survive. We should have got water first, rather than for shelter. And now, and now I'm feeling dizzy and I'm, and then he cut it, cuts and goes oh, do you want to start again? So they kept, they kept killing him. I'm like I as much as that's funny. I'm not sure that that's the. That's the right attitude to take.

Speaker 1: 32:09

I think that's the best. Let's do the ice one.

Speaker 2: 32:11

He dies much quicker. I'm like oh, go on then, go on, then, show me what he does.

Speaker 1: 32:16

That's great. You're kids in proper, do badders.

Speaker 2: 32:20

I love the fact. I love the fact that we're working together to try and kill Bear Grills. I didn't know they could really come together to collaborate in that way to try and work out how to company.

Speaker 1: 32:31

They didn't see, it didn't film the death scenes. They that surely?

Speaker 2: 32:34

would have been great, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1: 32:36

That would have been a superlative for marketing. That would have been viral. Surely, having all these, all these deaths of Bear Grills would be great. So what else we can do? We were going to talk about sports personality.

Speaker 2: 32:53

Yeah, I was so. So listen up. When I got on the call this morning, I was just say today I said to David that I've already been told off this morning, literally, like I mean, I must have been awake for less than 60 seconds and I got told off because they're just making one comment, because Hugo was sat next to me in bed looking at the, because he want, you know, of course he has to check all the football scores in the morning and of course, sports personality of the year was on there and if you or spoiler, you'll know. But now Mary Mary, up one, the England and Manchester United goalkeeper, and all I made the comment, or this is the only comment I made was I thought you had to win something in order to at least win sports personality, and I was like I'm going to win this year, which apparently is well, actually, when I look, it actually puts me in the same category as Piers Morgan, which I didn't realise at the time, which I, you know, and it's not. That's really hard, but I've not come to say. All I was saying is that, because it was going oh, but it's about, you know, women's representation and it's about, you know, and it's about inspiring girls and stuff like that. I totally get all of that and I was well. I also said, well, beth Mead won it last year, so didn't she inspire girls last year? But the point, the point I was making was that when that you could absolutely do all of that and yeah, loads of winners have done that, you know, actually it's quite balanced, but apart from a period in, I think in about the 20 tens or something like that, where literally it was a male winner for like 10, whole 10 years. But generally it's quite balanced in terms of male, female winners and stuff like that. But the common denominator generally that you've won something, apart from those years when it's a country we don't win anything and we just not. But it's not called sports. Well it might not be, no, well, that's the thing, that's the thing, it doesn't matter. But I just think if you're going up against people who have won stuff, yeah, then I just I've again, I find it quite difficult. I find it quite difficult because if it's all about kind of representation of things like that, then Raheem Sterling should have won that, and I feel quite aggrieved about the Raheem Sterling thing because he didn't win. Raheem Sterling has done, like you know, his the work that he's done and he won stuff at the highest level and he was even recognized what Premier League I didn't leave a couple cups. Yeah, exactly with man City, but he was man City.

Speaker 1: 35:31

Yeah, yeah yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 35:34

But I don't know, I just is it? Yeah, I don't know, I got told off and then obviously I'm dumped in the same category as they. I have no issue, I just, I just. I mean the fact that man United means it shouldn't win anything at all and won't win anything because she is man United which is she won the. Golden Ball. She won the Golden Gloves. Didn't she go in the Golden Gloves, which is you know?

Speaker 1: 36:01

They get a goalkeeper win something.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Actually it is nice that goal, because what goalkeepers are never really like whenever the Ballon d'Or comes up, like a goalkeeper like never, ever wins it Like the closest. It was Courtois winning it, who was absolutely incredible in the Champions League final for Real Madrid and he should have. He should have won it on the basis of because the Ballon d'Or is the actual, is the proper one. They just give the Golden Glove one because goalkeepers don't get anything, so it's nice that a goalkeeper's one, because goalkeepers aren't thing. But you know, oh, so she didn't win the overall.

Speaker 1: 36:33

She did. She just won the glove one.

Speaker 2: 36:36

In the Ballon d'Or.

Speaker 1: 36:37

Yeah, yeah. So she didn't win the female Ballon d'Or.

Speaker 2: 36:43

Oh, wait a minute. I don't know Actually, I don't know. Maybe she did, I don't know. I'm getting it mixed up now.

Speaker 1: 36:49

Well, we said last week that we would look into how Roger Banister didn't win Sportspersonality of the Year because Chris Chathoway did. And this is interesting how. It's quite an insight into society because clearly people didn't give a shit enough about the sub four minute mile as much as we do now. So Chris Chathoway was his pacemaker. But then he went on. He came second in the five thousand in the European champs but he then later won in a world record at the London versus Moscow athletics competition. So he got the world record which was televised via the Eurovision Network and made Chathoway a sporting celebrity. So because that had been televised, it seems from Wikipedia, who knows how to do this Is because he'd been televised setting the world record in the 5K, but they called it the three mile. That's why he won the Sportspersonality of the Year, because the more people knew him and more people voted for him versus Roger Banister breaking the sub four minute mile, which just shows actually that it is a FKT. Yeah, but who would have thought actually, when you look back, and will we? Because the sub two everyone's seeing is a massive thing for the marathon. They're seeing that now, but I think that's probably because of the sub four being seen as such a big thing. We now assume that the sub two is, but in future years will that be the case, or will actually people this, this person's? They came second in the Euro is not a big deal, but they won, I think, the Commonwealth at some point. And yet they were seen as being the nation's beloved. More than what.

Speaker 2: 38:58

That's. I mean, I suppose that's really what Sportspersonality is, isn't it? It's a lot of it's marketing, because we've talked about marketing, but I suppose it is visibility, isn't it? It's about what, what, what that person means to to the broader, the broader public, and see you having a having a story behind it as well, is quite important, which I think is something that Mary Erbs does, like she did the whole thing about the the goalkeeper kit, you know, not being put on sale and then fighting to fighting Nike to have it put on sale and then it's selling out in like Is that right?

Speaker 1: 39:36

I didn't know that story.

Speaker 2: 39:37

Yeah, basically, you know, I mean it does. It doesn't make sense to me. Who wants a fucking goalkeepers kit? But yeah, but in doing so, then made the goalkeepers kit popular. I mean because everyone knows that when you've got kids and they're playing football, they always want to go in gold, like they would either strike or go in gold, and you do, you do them your best to keep them out of that goal. You're like you know, if someone asks who wants to be goalkeeper, you say you don't say anything. You let someone else be the goalkeeper, because you might not, because the goalkeeper can't affect anything. Playing a team sport where you can't affect anything is the worst thing ever.

Speaker 1: 40:16

The goalkeeper can affect things massively.

Speaker 2: 40:19

You can't affect. If you've got it it's a bill massively it can. It can definitely save you, save you points and things like that. But again, if your defense is terrible, you can't, you can't physically go up there and take control of the game it's. You're literally, you're impotent.

Speaker 1: 40:33

So your your assumption, then, is that your children are. So your assumption is your children are so incredible that if they're in a terrible team, they could still win the game single-handedly with their talent.

Speaker 2: 40:47

Hugo at the last game tournament we watched that he was playing in he. They went 2-0 down. Then he took the game by the scuffer. He's very good, he's got, he has, he has, he's got he's single-handedly won the game.

Speaker 1: 41:05

Yeah, three, three, three, three.

Speaker 2: 41:06

No, no, no. He single-handedly got them back to to to all, and as he was walking back back to the other pitch, every single parent heard him shout I'm carrying this entire team, which which you couldn't disagree with, Was he?

Speaker 1: 41:24

repeating his father.

Speaker 2: 41:26

I know. Well, everyone looked at me. I don't know why everyone looked at me when that, when that happened, and it was kind of like is he lying? Is he, is he not telling the truth? Is he not carrying this entire team? So yeah, so I know who. No one wants to be caught, yeah, but that's the point. So, basically, they, they released the England kit. They didn't release the goalkeepers kit because, well, again, but they should again. I don't know what made them think what. What was going to happen if they didn't do this?

Speaker 1: 42:01

I don't know. They didn't do it because they probably never have and it was a commercial decision.

Speaker 2: 42:04

Well, it was a commercial, it was entirely a commercial decision, which makes total sense and everything. Yeah, because no one wants the goalkeepers kit, until you tell people that you can't get something. And then, all of a sudden, people who never wanted a goalkeeper's kit wanted a goalkeeper's kit.

Speaker 1: 42:18

And how did Nike respond? Did they say it was a commercial decision, because the goalkeepers just get, don't say well, or did they come up with some other thing, or?

Speaker 2: 42:26

I think that's what they said in the first place. And then they, they, they, then they did the kit, then they put the kit and of course it sells out, and then you know, and so, and so I think that part of it is probably probably helped, the you know the, the Marriott's thing, because there is story around it and you know yeah she does have a, she does have a story about you know I'm pleased she's one.

Speaker 1: 42:51

I think she's right to have one now, because I'm not. I'm not over.

Speaker 2: 42:56

I mean a Johnson Thompson.

Speaker 1: 42:57

Absolutely what, what, what kind of what caused did Katarina Johnson Thompson raise? You can't buy a. Where's the heptathlon kit of KJT? There isn't one. Why? Because she's not as bad as Marylops.

Speaker 2: 43:11

Who are the best people who've never won it Like um no, and it wasn't a years that Leonardo DiCaprio didn't win. There was, but he did eventually, but then for a film that wasn't his best film. I mean, it's just so stupid.

Speaker 1: 43:25

Ironic right, ironic, well, it's like.

Speaker 2: 43:28

it's like Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson, they didn't allow him to basically win the Academy Award until, like the final Lord of the Rings film, because they were kind of saving it up. So, and Return of the King is not the best Lord of the Rings film. In fact, none of them are. They're awful, but they save it up for that one. So, whoever, whoever, whichever good film was it I mean, the Oscars are a joke as well. In fact, when we were talking about it last time, the next day, hugo was in the car and he goes Duddy, I heard you talking about the Ballon d'Or and you used the F word at least three or four times, saying that it was an F joke, and I said, oh right, did I? He goes. I completely agree with you. He dropped the F bomb. We were talking about it. I think I was getting much more upset about it, I think, than I, than I realized I am.

Speaker 1: 44:23

F in carrying this team.

Speaker 2: 44:26

No, I don't. I think he wouldn't swear. He wouldn't swear.

Speaker 1: 44:29

Oh yeah. Well, it's just a matter of time, given he's taken after his dad already.

Speaker 2: 44:34

It's like, well, when we record, we are the record either at eight o'clock on a Monday or Tuesday, and then nine o'clock on a Wednesday morning, and that eight o'clock is when he just as he goes to bed and his bedroom is right next to it. So sometimes I forget, and so if we're talking about that, we normally do an interview. So we don't have that. But it's the morning one where, when they're at home, because it's not school or whatever, I forget that they can hear me, and so I think they stand outside the door trying to listen to see whether I'm swearing or not, and then go and tell their mother, and that's that's how it works. Nice, nice, exactly. Just just just to clarify on a point there Meryoz did not win the overall Ballon d'Or, it was a Tana Bonmatti who won the overall Spanish player.

Speaker 1: 45:30

Can't believe I overlooked a Tana, so I don't know. Well, I've got some, I've got some news. Where do you know things? When things combine in ways you think, oh, I don't know how I feel about this, so do bad, as you have the opportunity to run the Edinburgh Marathon for Street Child. Whoa Say what Something we love something we should have a difficult relationship combining with something that's a great cause. So um well, I mean Street.

Speaker 2: 46:01

Child. My experience of Street Child organizing the marathon was was horrific. So actually in my mind I put those great charity, amazing charity, and also my experience of them organizing marathons. Oh, not so, not so positive.

Speaker 1: 46:15

And also they do. They do tend to put on events in kind of very poor countries where the the infrastructure and the facilities in the event can be problematic.

Speaker 2: 46:27

So I do think, I do think there is actually more water available in McKenney, then there is in Edinburgh.

Speaker 1: 46:33

Yeah absolutely Absolutely. But yeah, mark, from who organizes the partnerships. So I was amazed. Actually, you can do things like Edinburgh Marathon. So you can do things like Berlin Marathon. They've got a huge number of really cool events that you can do Street Child.

Speaker 2: 46:51

So yeah, if you, want to do when's Edinburgh Marathon.

Speaker 1: 46:55

Normally the end of May. Typically you can sign up.

Speaker 2: 46:59

And you know what I was. I was thinking, I was thinking just the other day why it has to, it might have to happen. I think just because I, you know it's so you can never run it from it. No, no, I've never run it. Although we did stay. Last time we went up to Edinburgh we stayed in Muscleborough, so at least I know where. You know the route. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 47:21

So do bad as get involved. You can now say JD, you're doing the work, so JD, you're doing the winter nuts to lapse when I have a break in the next day break, yeah, break it into winter nuts to, to.

Speaker 2: 47:36

To do it early before the two laps starts. Then I'm doing what's it got up to Olympic Park for? For the half marathon, yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:45

Yeah, and then on to the Edinburgh Marathon with Street Child incredible, incredible.

Speaker 2: 47:51

But the thing is I was thinking do you know what Edinburgh is lovely? Because last time we went there it was yeah, it was really nice. So it's like yeah we'll combine that as a nice little, nice little breakaway Make do it.

Speaker 1: 48:04

It's time. It's time to rewrite that book because it's been over a decade. We've been slagging them off. Maybe they are now fantastic. So we've got some feedback in the group from the do badders about what are classic signs in movies, or of a newbie. What are movies and TV? What kit do they give to new runners to represent they are a new runner. And also what are classic signs when you're tempo race? That they are a new runner as well. So we have to be be went with the classic con t-shirt, of course, con vests, arm warmers, sleeve things arm warmers, sleeve thing and leg warmers, those are, those are like classic.

Speaker 2: 48:51

Do we think they're new runners? Just the band. Just the band, I mean in films, definitely in films. Yeah, they always.

Speaker 1: 48:57

Oh yeah, true In films. Yeah, All kit that you can, they can wear. Absolutely It'll be like 80s. What's it called 80s?

Speaker 2: 49:07

Like dance classes for some reason.

Speaker 1: 49:12

Yeah, yeah, true, what's it called to be running.

Speaker 2: 49:13

Yeah, flashdance. Yeah, everyone dressed up for flashdance in order to, in order to go for a run.

Speaker 1: 49:19

So we've got from Gavin Dealey cotton socks or the kind of big football socks. Oh yeah, yeah, how did Gillies Is that? How did she like these? Yeah, is that something that we? I know you get given them at the end of UTMB, but is that something we've seen? We say shit with. That's from Steve.

Speaker 2: 49:42

There is a definite epidemic of padded Gillies, of not like North face, big padded, like those kind of Gillies, but ones where they've got that kind of that light padding that is almost like you're like is that doing anything, or is that just to show that you've got a name on there or something? I don't know. There does seem to be an epidemic of that. There's that. That is definitely a lot. But as for running, I've not. I don't think I've ever seen that. Yeah, that seems to take a photo, to know, to show us what you mean, because I'm interested in that.

Speaker 1: 50:16

Without the permission from the front laugh point, take a photo and then send it in new runners. So when you said heavy tracksuit bottoms, yeah, I think that's definitely a sign.

Speaker 2: 50:30

Remember when people wore tracksuit bottoms for exercise rather than for, like, wearing out? I didn't realize, like, how expensive like like the pair of like Nike tracksuit bottoms were, until we went into JD Sports the other day to do some Christmas shopping because, much to Libby's absolute horror, of course, hugo now literally wants to dress like a Academy footballer, which is literally Nike.

Speaker 1: 51:05

Get him down Prime money, mate. Get him down Prime money. That's the solution. He can wear as many clothes as you want. We've also got Andy Staley Derpcans, of course. Massive headphones yes, absolutely. You've got your ridiculous phone pouches, strapping your whole phone and everything else to your arm. Sarah Wally, absolutely Going out with big phones yeah, that is something that, as a newbie, you tend to do, right. Or massive plastic bottles and gardener Good point, yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:38

Yeah yeah, massive plastic bottles.

Speaker 1: 51:42

You know, you know the bottle where you've, you've, you put your hand through the middle of the bottom.

Speaker 2: 51:45

Warm it up. So all that beautifully warm water is waiting for you, waiting for you 10 minutes in.

Speaker 1: 51:55

Yeah, this is a shit ton of caramel. Yeah, that's good. Actually, somebody who's gone to Dector Catholic and thought it's buy everything cheap, that I think that's one of our best, most insightful feedback from from the Duba. They've done well there. They've absolutely nailed that. So, duba, this week we're going to be asking you what are missed marketing opportunities, miss jokes that people have put out that you've seen have broken your heart to the back and baby equivalent. That has really upset you. So we'll be asking that in the group. And, yeah, anything else to go over this week, jd, or we could try things off.

Speaker 2: 52:32

I think we could try things off. Man, I just I want you to go back. You need to go and get Hercules out of the cold. Go and get him now. I think he's had enough cold exposure.

Speaker 1: 52:43

It depends on the milk.

Speaker 2: 52:44

I think cold water exposure, I think you know. Just think, if he starts now he's going to the benefits. The benefits are going to be incredible.

Speaker 1: 52:53

Absolutely. And a quick shout out to the GB24R team well done, well done, crew, and especially to the women. Four of them were mums out of four. Four out of four mums. What is it about being a mum that makes you want to just do even more drudgery with your life? Why, why, but congratulations, amazing performances. Well, we'll see you next time. Guys, if you've got any suggestions of guests or topics to talk about or races to do, then message me davidatbadboyrunningcom or ping us on Instagram. If this is one of your first bad stuff, then go and listen to the A to Z of Bad Boy Running. It will give you an insight in all the ridiculousness of episodes that you've missed in the past. It's about 10 hours of absolute. I was going to say dynamite of gold, but also, yeah, your ears will bleed as much as mine did from my baby screaming in my ear.

Speaker 2: 53:51

If you want to join the conversation, head over to Facebook, answer any of the inane questions we ask you and then go into the group and ask even more inane questions that we ask you as well. The standard and the quality of the answers is improving dramatically, so we've got to put something in there that everyone could just say, vest, or there's a podcast, or something like that.

Speaker 1: 54:12

Yeah, absolutely, and in terms of future episodes, we've got Karine Malcolm, the UTMB commentator, who was let go recently for being too outspoken. With the interview we caught back up with Christopher McDougal what a legend return of the Mac about Born to Run and actually mostly about meeting his wife and how she came from Hawaii. He's now back over there. Yeah, he's just one of the best guests we've ever had. He always is, and so these are some great episodes to look forward to, and do message me with other suggestions, because it's likely we're gonna be interviewing oh punk Jimmy, jimmy Watkins, jimmy Watkins. Yes, so, but more suggestions are welcome and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2: 55:01

See you later Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye bye, baby.

Speaker 1: 55:07

Come back, but the bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. I must admit I was a clown to be messing around, but that doesn't mean that you have to leave town. Come back, yes, and give me one more try, cause I love like this. Should I never, ever die? Come back, Fuck you, buddy.