Navigating the complexities of life as a new parent while juggling work and passions can feel like a Herculean task. This week, I'm David Heller, and together with Jody, we hash out the trials of fatherhood, the impact of sleepless nights, and the struggle to find time for ourselves. The conversation veers into the realm of sports, where we heatedly debate the effects of media glare on budding athletes. Imagine the pressure felt by young stars thrust into the spotlight and the scrutiny that follows. We also share a warm moment as we celebrate a new addition to Jody's family, and we're left scratching our heads at the historical oversight of Roger Bannister's monumental achievement.
Sports journalism carries great responsibility, and in our latest discussion, we delve into the portrayal of young athletes in an era dominated by social media. Do interviews with teenage champions serve to inspire or simply amplify pressure? We explore Jason Henderson's perspectives, dissecting the intricate dance of exposure versus privacy. This episode isn't just about shedding light on the tension between showcasing prodigious talents and protecting their adolescence; it's a dialogue on the ethics of tagging them in posts and the importance of obtaining consent before sharing their stories and images.
We wrap things up with some lighter fare, poking fun at the fashion gaffes of new runners and their over-equipped hydration strategies for short jaunts. But between the chuckles, we don't forget the serious issues: the stringent rules surrounding filming at events and the delicacy needed when dealing with the privacy of young athletes. Whether you're a seasoned sportsperson or someone who's just laced up their first pair of trainers, this conversation promises a blend of humor, insight, and reflection on the sport we so deeply adore. Join us for this candid journey through parenting, sports, and the occasional running fashion faux pas.
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Navigating the complexities of life as a new parent while juggling work and passions can feel like a Herculean task. This week, I'm David Heller, and together with Jody, we hash out the trials of fatherhood, the impact of sleepless nights, and the struggle to find time for ourselves. The conversation veers into the realm of sports, where we heatedly debate the effects of media glare on budding athletes. Imagine the pressure felt by young stars thrust into the spotlight and the scrutiny that follows. We also share a warm moment as we celebrate a new addition to Jody's family, and we're left scratching our heads at the historical oversight of Roger Bannister's monumental achievement.
Sports journalism carries great responsibility, and in our latest discussion, we delve into the portrayal of young athletes in an era dominated by social media. Do interviews with teenage champions serve to inspire or simply amplify pressure? We explore Jason Henderson's perspectives, dissecting the intricate dance of exposure versus privacy. This episode isn't just about shedding light on the tension between showcasing prodigious talents and protecting their adolescence; it's a dialogue on the ethics of tagging them in posts and the importance of obtaining consent before sharing their stories and images.
We wrap things up with some lighter fare, poking fun at the fashion gaffes of new runners and their over-equipped hydration strategies for short jaunts. But between the chuckles, we don't forget the serious issues: the stringent rules surrounding filming at events and the delicacy needed when dealing with the privacy of young athletes. Whether you're a seasoned sportsperson or someone who's just laced up their first pair of trainers, this conversation promises a blend of humor, insight, and reflection on the sport we so deeply adore. Join us for this candid journey through parenting, sports, and the occasional running fashion faux pas.
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Once a bad boy running. This is the episode, the bad stuff, where we talk about what's happening in our world, but also the world of running. This week we discuss when is the right age to be interviewing young athletes, because does the exposure offer them opportunity and the ability to get new sponsors? Or is it just adding extra pressure, linking into an Athletics Weekly article that was a really good one for the last few weeks? We also talk about the fact that Jody's dad finally has the grandson that Jody never was. We also talk about why Roger Bannister didn't win Sport Personnel to the Year. The year that he broke the four minute mile he lost out to another athlete. What the F? That's all in the bad stuff today, so stay tuned.
Speaker 2:They're bad, they're boys and occasionally they talk about running. Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running Podcast with your hosts Jody Rainsford and David Heller.
Speaker 1:Hello D-Banners, hello Jody Rainsford, how are we?
Speaker 2:doing. I'm alright, david Heller, how are you?
Speaker 1:I'm okay. I'm okay. Who are you dressing down? Yeah, I am in my dressing gown. I've got my the Beast shorts on. Why I'm adjusting it? Well, it's because I get up and do the early shift, look after her, so that Brigzy can then sleep, and it was dark this morning. I didn't want to turn the lights on. I was tired, satisfied, whatever I could. But, yeah, oh, my god. First two weeks of baby is easy for us. Third week, when you suddenly go back to work, how the hell am I going to get stuff done? Because I just don't have the time in the day to be able to do my work and going for a run me, why am I going to fit that in? And still morning shift where I can do nothing with the baby, really, because they just need constant attention. So, yeah, I'm not quite sure how the next few weeks are going to unfold, with trying to run, trying to well, trying to do any running and also trying to manage businesses and all the run-shays stuff coming up as well. And so Keep going away, going away. Yeah, I keep on forgetting to line up guests for the podcast as well, because I haven't been chasing much. So, yeah, things are falling apart a little bit of the seams and even when I haven't figured out when I get my extra sleep, because I sleep less in the night and I don't get a period to rest in the day, and so I'm like, oh no, I'm just getting less sleep now, but I've got more things to do. So not ideal.
Speaker 2:Shall we say yeah, yeah, that just happens Like that, just that is it. Like it's over now, like you're not, that's never coming back.
Speaker 1:It was just less sleep.
Speaker 2:Like that was the biggest shock for Libby. She's just like so I can't, like I'm never, ever going to be able to spend like 16 hours in bed anymore. And you're like no, that's just, that's literally. You might, you might be lucky like one weekend if the children are away or something. You'll do it, but you'll. But you'll still wake up at the time they get up and won't be able to go back to sleep because you'll then be thinking about them not being there as well. So, like this, literally, this is it's over. How it was before it's over.
Speaker 1:I was fine with because I had always wake up early anyway and I'm not a lying type guy. Haven't me for years for similar reasons, but it's more. Oh, I'm now getting up earlier and not achieving anything.
Speaker 2:Not achieving, apart from caring for your child. I'm not saying that's not achieving anything, but when, when there are deadlines and things to be done, then it's. You know, I have weirdly, weirdly, you know. I mean it's different for you, but my clients do not use the excuse of I'm looking after my children as as reasons for things not getting done, and for long. They've never really. So I don't know what it is, though. I don't. I don't know if you ever you ever have this, but as as you ease towards Christmas, you know obviously things like you know, creatively, I am kind of spent, I am done. I get on calls now for clients and things like that, and they're like you know, what about this, what about this? And I'm level with them, I'll be like, okay, I just want to point out that I am like I am burnt out, so don't, do not expect.
Speaker 1:You're burnt out now.
Speaker 2:Gee, do not expect genius or anything. You're lucky if I make it through this call. Okay, that is like kind of that, but it's like. So you expect that mentally and I'm fully expecting when I finish next week I'll get a cold or something like that. It's just, it'll just be classic. Oh, you know we've been holding on, but I tell you what, for the first time ever, like my body has just gone, we are giving up, like we've given up, like I am a Jodie this.
Speaker 1:This is not the first time ever your body is given up. No, I would say. When is your body ever tried? I'd say the reverse it's in constant giving up cycle, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, normally it holds it together until until literally the moment I stop work and then it'll go. Ah, here we go, but this time it's just gone or we don't care, we just we're clocking off early for this and I've just I mean, you know, I don't know, like you know, when you are, I don't know if you do know this actually when it hurts to lie down, actually it hurts like it aches. No matter what you're in, you can't lie down without it aching, like without your back aching or something. You can't sit up without it like, no matter what position you're in, it's aching and you're like, why, like, how can they not be a single position where I'm not aching? Literally the only thing that I imagine if I was able to suspend myself in midair, somehow, that would still ache.
Speaker 1:And so it's kind of got to that point. The only time I've experienced that was teenage heartbreak.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, the more you talk about teenage heartbreak, the more chance there is of Libby listening to these episodes. She does love a good heartbreak. I'm sure it's a Leona Lewis song somewhere.
Speaker 1:Why do I ache, if I lie down at ache, if I stand up at ache, why does everything so have you? Are you going?
Speaker 2:through teenage heartbreak at the moment. Oh, I don't, maybe I am. Maybe it's the heartbreak of not being teenage anymore, Although that's possibly, yeah, that's possibly. I don't know, it's just, it's an onslaught. It's an onslaught of-.
Speaker 1:So you're aching right now is what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I went for like a what's it called?
Speaker 1:A sports massage last night.
Speaker 2:Sports massage last night and you know like you kind of described it to me like going I don't know, it's just hurting it Like I was fine up until-.
Speaker 1:Hurt myself.
Speaker 2:I was fine up until about a week ago. You didn't feel, because the thing is, isn't it? It's like none of these exercise, none of this pain is from anything sports related. It's entirely because of a desk. And so I say, all right, nothing was hurting. And then all of a sudden, everything was hurting and you're like, and it's just suddenly kind of it doesn't really creep up on you, or suddenly, just one day, you just kind of go oh God, why is this hurting so much? And so you don't notice, like when, like you know, your chest muscles are tight and stuff. Oh, that was the other thing I've started doing. I started doing like meditation every day, so I've been doing like 45 minutes of breathing. Now you know that you've got a problem when you're trying to do kind of like deep breathing and your chest is going no, no, no, no, you're not doing deep breathing because it's kind of like clenched. Your ribs are kind of clenched there and it's going no, no, no, no, you can't deep breathe anymore. We've decided that we're stopping you from doing any. And you're like this it shouldn't hurt to breathe, it shouldn't feel like my muscles are tearing.
Speaker 1:It hurts when I breathe, every breath.
Speaker 2:We're setting this up for our what's it called the BBR album of pure heartbreak. Pure heartbreak could be a great, great event name, wouldn't it your?
Speaker 1:words yes. What would be the who'd be on the poster?
Speaker 2:The picture of me and my younger days. Ladies pure heartbreak. Anyone want some pure heartbreak? Pure heartbreak. It would be like it's like an OCR type thing, but just you know, instead of like one of those kind of extreme, extreme pain, danger to the to the max or whatever bullshit names they come up with to have, like you know, 2k of some middling obstacles, it would just be, yeah, just total heartbreak. So you do that and then they start touching you and all of a sudden you realize how like, how fucked you are. Like they just like sort of go there and you're like, it's like searing, searing, pain, like a hot knife cutting through, like I've done, and it's just, oh, I've done that just through, typing quite a lot, and you feel so pathetic because you're like oh, I wish, I wish I was doing something heroic in order to in order to have these in place.
Speaker 1:So, genuinely the standing desk.
Speaker 2:Well, I did. You know what I don't ever I was using a standing desk for a while, but that doesn't really help you with your arms and stuff, because you're still kind of clenching forward, aren't you? It's, you know, it's a bit so, yeah, so that's a bit rubbish.
Speaker 1:Oh no, well, I'm very sorry to hear that, and I'm going to do stretches as we're recording now You've reminded me. Oh, Carly, does it have to?
Speaker 2:get worse, what oh? There we go that physical pain, and now I've got to see you stretching? I thought you were. I thought you were going to stand up and start stretching. So I was going to see you do a groin, gyrating towards me on video and I was like, oh great, that's exactly what I want and I'm waiting for you. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Just under the desk. Love not stretching, healing and saying but we've got quite a few things to. I've got my 10K camera this weekend. But one thing I've seen an article by Athletics Weekly, great publication, and this I thought Bit serious. Yeah, I mean it is serious. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I mean there's no way around it. Well, how do you think there's a few controversies? I've just remembered Josh Kerr not being selected for Sports Personality of the Year. They've cut it down to six. That is a big deal. Right Goes and wins. Wins the 1500 with an incredible finish Doesn't even make it into Sports Personality of the Year.
Speaker 2:So who's up for Sports Personality of the Year?
Speaker 1:I've just seen it flashed this morning, but I didn't read the article because I didn't have time, because I was looking after little Herc. Let's have a quick Google.
Speaker 2:Listen, there's not a huge test in your childcare excuses, I know.
Speaker 1:I know, like your customers, like my clients, so Mary Erp's leads the way, apparently, so fair. Here's the times, have said Josh Kerr, the 1500 world champion. Oh, they have got a paywall there, so they seem to have done fewer nominations, so they've reduced it down to six. Right, I'm just trying to find a click that's not going to be for the mirror or the Daily Mail and give them advertising spend. So we've got, obviously, frankie Dottori. What Johnson Thompson? We have Broad, actually, and that's Stuart Broad, mary Erp's, who has won the Ball Doar Feminine Awards 2023. I mean, that's pretty amazing the highest ever ranking.
Speaker 2:So what awards was that? I think it's the Ballon. Doar was it Balloon.
Speaker 1:Doar Ballon, doar Ballon, so Ballon, whoops. I hate football, as you know. We've got Rory McElroy. I assume that's something to do with him. Oh, is that him In the Ryder Cup, potentially? But yeah, josh Kerr, and I just find it strange that they've reduced it down as well. So the and this is do they now have joint personality of the year, or do they still have male and female, or have they now combined it?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Because this is one of the issues of the Brits Awards, where and the Oscars and you combine it down, so there are fewer places, and in the Brits they didn't have a single female nominated, which was a huge controversy and statistically reasonably improbable improbable, but not that improbable and so they've now extended the number of people, that who are actually nominated, and it seems, reading this, that they've now, they've now just created one award and it's for everyone, and there's only six people nominated, which seems a little bit crazy. When why reduce the spotlight available to athletes of all sports?
Speaker 2:It's weird, isn't it? I just think it's weird when they have, like, team sports players mixed in with individual sports players as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the why. And Mary Erps, why Mary Erps over anyone else?
Speaker 1:I mean to be fair. She's won the Ballon d'Or.
Speaker 2:Ballantyre's a fucking joke.
Speaker 1:It's an absolute fucking joke, but it's still representing the best player in the world isn't it?
Speaker 2:That's not. It's a fucking joke. Everyone knows the.
Speaker 1:Ballantyre's a joke. I mean, we know that Messi's won it many years because he's the best player in the world. Well, he's a joke, is he not very good at football?
Speaker 2:He plays. It's a joke. They've given it to him this year because he bloody what's it called? He won the World Cup, but you know it's a joke. It's like people boycott it because it's such a joke. It's not a good representation of it. So why, yeah? Why, mary Erps over?
Speaker 1:anywhere else Because I guess she was seen as being she's the highest ranked ever goalkeeper and she won the Ballantyre and the English team.
Speaker 2:Where's a goalkeeper ever won a sports personality award?
Speaker 1:Well, there you go. That shows how great she must be, Surely to be favourite. So, yeah, we've got. It's strange, Sparky Dottori Mm, but part of the issue now is, by reducing down the number of positions six people for men and women. Does that mean it always has to be three of each? Because that when we used to have ten of each and we've gone to three of each, or maybe even there's two females on there, so no, so actually, it just seems to me incredibly strange that why are you creating yourself issues by reducing down the number?
Speaker 2:Does anyone care? Does anyone care about BBC Sports personality? This has been a joke forever as well, hasn't it?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I love it. I love it every year the roundup of the year of sport. My mum used to record it for me so I could watch it. When I came home from school it would be the first thing I'd watch. We'd sit and watch it together. It was a wonderful thing. Wonderful thing. But going back to athletics weekly.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute. If you look at the winners and nominees, there's been six every year since 2019.
Speaker 1:Maybe I've just not noticed All this time there's been six total.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so last year Beth Mead, jessica Gadirov, ronny O'Sullivan, jake Whiteman, eve Muirhead and Ben Stokes.
Speaker 1:They surely were far more in the past.
Speaker 2:I thought they were far more in the past. I mean when you think, when you look at the people that have won it. Do you remember when what's it called Tyson Fury got nominated and then he threatened to sue them because he didn't want to be nominated? Ah Like two years ago.
Speaker 1:Hmm, yeah, yeah. But I say why not open it up? Why not give? Because they do roundups of the year anyway? Six for both male and female seems ridiculously small and I don't understand the needs to. I mean, I Given realistically, are we going to get someone who's a who's? I mean maybe we will Someone who's non-gendered Win it Is that the reason why it's reduced down. But yeah, going to the article about athletics weekly, I thought this was really interesting. So it's not often you read an article that you you get the journalists actually telling you their situation and almost asking you the dilemma of what it is. So Jason Henderson's written for athletics weekly for years. He's great. We met him when we went out to the on launch of OACC or OCC there their running club and he was saying he was asking like how much coverage should teenage athletes recede in the age of social media? And he wrote this really good blog where he was basically saying he's not quite sure what he should be reporting on and when. Because actually as a young athlete, receiving exposure if you do well, can be really beneficial Because suddenly you can get sponsors interested. It helps in a lot of ways and if we think about who we've just interviewed, so maybe we're part of the problem as well. We've just interviewed, at the age of 16, the under 20 European champion, which to me is an astounding feat, and they've pointed out that, for example, that Katrina Johnson-Thompson was the front cover of the magazine in 2008 when she was 15. And Keely Hodgson cover star, age 16,. Dean Ashford Smith, age 17, but that they've also. There has been some criticism for If you then interview young athletes, creating all this pressure on them, and so the article is great in that it almost says I don't what, what, what is the expectation here? Like what? What is the right thing to do? Should we be protecting athletes against, for example, the English schools championships? Quite a big deal for those athletes and for the right mentality. Quite fun to be interviewed and have your picture in a magazine For someone, but with, with social media now able to absolutely accelerate the attention that someone gets, do we need to be more responsible in reporting anything for young people?
Speaker 2:And I I'm completely so actually so clarify why exactly what the suggestion is that publishing something does so previously, if you know, when social media wasn't around, that someone publishes something, an interview with it, with a young athlete, and because you don't have social media, then people just read it, accept it. Whatever is the implication then? That if you publish something with social media, you're giving them them much greater prominence, because then that is shared online, people can comment on it. Then people then have higher expectations. What is the what? What? What is the?
Speaker 1:So the um, what is the?
Speaker 2:suggestion here that that's the where's the damage coming from.
Speaker 1:So they? Jason was referencing the, the Cardiff cross-country challenge, and he said that when the coverage went live last weekend, a teacher messaged to ask whether we should be tagging in an under 13 winner into a video on Instagram. And there's we speak to runners, nerd, there's. There's often videos of people who set, you know, someone breaks 17 minutes, age seven, or someone set the world record and they're tagged in it often, or their, their pages, which might be managed by their parents and the. They also said. But he said, you know, on the flip side, the father of other teenagers, um, of another teenage winner, was asking why they hadn't published the post-race interview of their child on the channels and then in recent weeks they'd been asked. Someone from the Athletics governing body had questioned their decision to have an interview to pursue an interview with a 14 year old runner for um that focused on young athletes who had made their mark in the sport this year, with the implication being that the coverage would put too much pressure on the athletes. So, um, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:Have you ever read an interview with a 14 year old runner?
Speaker 1:No, well, I mean, I'm sure I have, but I don't.
Speaker 2:It's not something I explicitly remember or kind of see how good I mean, I let's just how good is an interview with a 14 year old runner really going to be? Is it like when you talk about, let's think about worthiness of publishing, are they? Did they publish that because they thought, oh, we need to be seen to publish this, rather than, oh, this is going to be a good interview?
Speaker 1:well, I think it's. It's always nice to hear from from someone who looks like they're going to be a star and kind of track their progress.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but they're getting there, they're getting in early to say, oh, we've had, we've, we've spoken to this person early. That's, that's the real reason they're doing it. They're not going to get any real insight from a 14 year old, are they?
Speaker 1:They might do I mean understanding some of their training. You could certainly be like you know, how have you found the sport? Like, who do you train with all these things? Are people who read Athletics Weekly probably quite interested in that? And like, you know, what's your exposure to? Are you doing how much? How many miles a week are you running, and things along those lines. And actually something else he recognizes is that he, they there have been some a like big name athletes when they were first in first on live on the BBC have been absolutely overwhelmed by having to do interviews and in some ways it's it's a more gentle form of introducing them into the media and so they actually get used to chatting to people and not being completely bowled over by a camera or bowled over by questions yeah so, um yeah, and I thought it was a really good piece, because I I don't know what the answer is either where there are some surely anything, though, to do with social media, like posting on social media, tagging in social media.
Speaker 2:The thing is all is all permissions based, like you know. For example, you know one thing that always happens at um at any events, like football events, things like that, is that no one's you're not supposed to film. You just if that's just it. You just don't film because you don't there's a possibility you could put other children's um, you know on on um on social media and stuff, so you're not allowed to film or anything as well. So you never have that issue of of doing that. I don't know whether cross-country events, you know, featuring younger people, that where, whether you know, it's a much harder thing to um police I can understand. But doing things like as a, you know, as a an editorial publication stuff, you know, tagging people in without getting permission of the parents, whatever, that does seem a bit of a strange thing to do um. But then you, you would seek in parents permission for for all of those things but you would have. You would have published the results in previous years in the paper yeah, you might have published results, but there's a big difference between someone being able to click on something, go straight to a personal profile. You couldn't you know. Just because someone's results have been published in the newspaper doesn't mean that you now know. You know what they look like, you know what their family looks like, you know and you can see them online.
Speaker 1:So there's a big difference yeah, and so do you think that's where the line is.
Speaker 2:They're not tagging yeah, I think anything, anything to do with any kind of coverage online, I think you that requires something that's going to essentially point to a personal profile, um has to require some kind of parental permission. I think that's that's a very reasonable thing to suggest. And then I know you could say to you know, um, you know parents, you know that if you, if you do want your, you know if you are happy for the children to be featured and things like that, make sure that there's something on a, on a profile or whatever, that makes it clear about how to gain contact with them um you know, and you and you and you do the situation like that. I do think, I do think there is a big difference.
Speaker 1:Um yeah, and I just yeah, you know it, just it just.
Speaker 2:It just has to be agreement upon it, doesn't it like some people will not want people covered and some people will, like you said, because some people are very keen on promoting and some people won't be. And so I think having a no permit you know, no, no tagging until permission has been granted is this is probably a really safe way to to do it.
Speaker 1:So say your sports day, then would you be allowed to take a picture of your child crossing the line or winning a race?
Speaker 2:No, well, yeah, you are. You are, but you're not allowed to. You've told not to put more social media, but then our sports day. We have photographers. So that's the. They have the photographers, so they don't need to.
Speaker 1:From athletics weekly.
Speaker 2:They're not from athletics weekly. They're from a professional photography company who manages to capture them at with various angles to make them look epic.
Speaker 1:Do they then sell them back to you?
Speaker 2:to then sell them back to us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, you've got to buy your school sports. They fact. Oh God, what do you do? But they? So they don't let you, but they do.
Speaker 2:Let you take your own photos if you want you can't take your own photos, but then they're never as good as the ones that like, the ones, the ones that we've got and just brilliant, like, they're just epic, like, and the thing is, you can really see, I love. I felt really bad actually because I did something stupid. I laughed initially at Hugo's photos because of the face he was making, but then it made me realize just how hard he's trying, and then I'm really terrible for myself and I thought was it a face you didn't recognize? It wasn't in your face. It's just, it's the way he. Wait there, just wait there. I've got to. I've got to show you them actually. Just give me, just give me a second. They are great.
Speaker 1:Oh, do that. So we're not going to be able to publish these because of the rules on social. So I have to describe them to you. I've not seen Hugo actually in years, so I don't know what he's going to look like, or even whether he'll be lucky enough to have Libby's good looks or tainted with Jody's. So we will find out shortly. I'm recording again.
Speaker 2:Recording. Now I said that he is. He is a proper sportsman. He is so into his sports in a way that I just wasn't as much. Yeah, I was good at sport at school, but he is, he is like so massively competitive, loves team sports, you know, really kind of getting into it, stuff like that really really competitive. He's the basically the son my dad wish he had. So when Frida did her like sports day stuff, you know it was great and everything and we got these lovely pictures and all of her pictures were kind of like this, her smiling and, you know, crossing the line and just looking really kind of great gay.
Speaker 1:She's really striding out.
Speaker 2:She is, isn't she? But yeah, absolutely, absolutely loving it, yo, it's like kind of thing. And then we get his pictures and then initially I thought, oh, that's kind of a strip face, but his face like Nice, yeah, he's pushing like he's properly pushing, like he's really pushing, and then he got these ones as well. So he's, and he's kind of these quality, like he's going in the hurdles.
Speaker 1:He's going over the hurdles like he's doing a long jump. He's got legs out, his arms to the sides. He's really having to attack the hurdle.
Speaker 2:It's just like attacking it, like as hard as he can and like no care for how he looks on camera or anything, and so it's just, it's just brilliant. And of course you know, you never, you never kind of like capture those on. On the other thing, but yeah, but it's really it's difficult because we, we, we watched that David Beckham documentary. Have you? Have you seen that?
Speaker 1:I've seen parts of it yeah.
Speaker 2:And so and his dad recorded like every single match that he ever played and then used to play it back and stuff like that. And you and you can't do that anymore, you can't record like their matches and things like that. So it's really annoying because you can't. You know not that I want to be the type of parent that goes oh I've got to look at your performance, son, and I think I think you know there's a few areas we can improve upon or anything else like that. So, yeah, so it. So it's different, but I do think that there is. There is a really clear point at which you can delineate between you know, seeking parents permission to do things and allowing them to, because every parent, if they're, if their child, does well, of course, it would be great for them to appear in a magazine or be featured in some way. And I just think, as long as, as long as you have that real understanding and the athletics bodies can make that really clear as well as to what that understanding should be, I don't think it has to be really complicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, it's, it's, it's making sure there's no link to the directly to the child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I know people can search up and things like that and it's actually much easier to search up, but there's, I think there's a big difference to tagging someone in. Something is pretty intrusive and pretty, and certainly I don't think a publication should be doing that. It's not down to the publication to do that, unless you know, and the only reason for doing that is to is to get more clicks to give them, to give them more followers to actually help them grow their brand, their profile, which yeah, but that's not the job. That's not the job of an editorial publication. It shouldn't be the job of a publication. It's your job, your job as a publication is not to promote that person, is to tell the story, and if you think it is to promote it, then you shouldn't be doing it. You shouldn't be running a fucking publication. It's not the job of a publication to promote.
Speaker 1:But the reason, the reason why athletes deal with publications is for their promotion.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. And so, by then, actually helping the athletes it might not be their job, but helping the athletes is a good thing and actually recognizing that, yeah, but tagging someone in without their permission, oh fine If they have their permission, but tagging them in without their permission under the auspices that oh, I'm just helping you is a oh yeah, yeah, but I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not suggesting that they should force it upon them, but they certainly with more established athletes. Then the athletes would want to be tagged in with their public profiles because they are incentivized to have larger followings, and so you are helping the athlete.
Speaker 2:No, but I don't think, I don't think, I don't think yeah someone is underage, if they ask, if they ask for it. I think that's fine. I don't think that it's down to the publication to make that decision and to say that it's because I'm trying to help. We're trying to help you.
Speaker 1:I'd say of an athlete who is dealing with it, who's interviewing with a publication, who is over the age of 18. It would be expected and probably would be enough. Athletes would be surprised if they weren't tagged in content.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but if they're, if they're, if they're a race or something, if they're a race, and then tagging someone in without their permission and using the excuse, oh, we're just trying to get you more followers, is pretty disingenuous.
Speaker 1:Um, but I I wouldn't say that's true if athletics wiki, for example, or you know, trail running or trail runner or runners world were filming at the Olympics or filming at, like professional athletes filming in races being tagged in content for them.
Speaker 2:I think we're not talking about the Olympics. Oh, we're talking about, like, a cross country race with a bunch of 14 year olds in it but we're talking about like national championships. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that is more more akin to the Olympics than it is just a random cross country race. This is to do with it's something of interest to the nation.
Speaker 2:Yes, I just don't understand how they, if someone is under a certain age, how they feel they they can tag someone in without their permission.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean, I think we we agreed on that and uh, and I that's, I don't matter. Well, I think that's a fairly simple rule, but I also do think there is an expectation of magazines tagging athletes to try and build their their profile as well, and so um, but you're right, that just needs permission of the individual. Well, really permission the parent, because the individual's too young to to make those decisions and doesn't truly understand the exposure that they are opening themselves up to on social.
Speaker 2:No, no, exactly, Exactly. I just think, yeah, just I think it just needs to be agreement upon it, and but just make it really clear because I do understand that that's the challenge, isn't it? It's like, what is, what is the role of athletics weekly? Of course it's going to be, you know, shining a light on talent coming through. And you know, the age thing's always is going to be an issue, because that's the age at which it becomes clear that there is, there is talent coming through. You know it's not, you know it's like, it's not like other sports necessarily, and I don't know what I. I just I'm trying to think whether it would happen in football, whether you'd have interview with 14 year olds as to whether, as to what they're doing.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm trying to think you would do it like the schoolboy, schoolboys playing in games Absolutely, they're playing in games for England, or if they were the equivalent of that. And similarly, if you had the schoolboy rapid cup, things along those lines and who published it?
Speaker 2:who would publish that? Who are those? Do you ban is? I want examples of basically live on TV teenagers being interviewed and I suppose the the actually I've seen on thing on like official YouTube channels as well, that they they feature a lot of the youth Academy players and actually a lot of the YouTube channels they this is football specifically a lot of the youth Academy players do go along and compete against each other for YouTube challenges and things like that. So, yeah, they have. They obviously have some element of media training already at Academy level, which is which is encouraging, but actually, yeah, one on one kind of interviews with them as well. It's a bit different with football, isn't it? Because it's so closely managed with them. You know you can't film anything, can you? Because it's, you know it's all, it's all around rights and stuff like that was. I think it's a bit different with things like cross country and stuff like that. You've got people along a course or any any kind of race where you've got just so many people in different positions and you can't control it as much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, true, true, true.
Speaker 2:Go film kids, basically stop filming kids what? Is wrong with you. If you're filming kids, then going on social media finding them and tagging them. That's basically a general rule.
Speaker 1:Lesson learned, lesson.
Speaker 2:I'll stop doing that Now.
Speaker 1:we did us in the group last week about the the Burberry Goddess, a perfume advert and the running style of the individual involved.
Speaker 2:Where's the feedback been about that?
Speaker 1:People didn't seem to mind it as much as I will not mind. I didn't jar people as much as I thought it had. Like Wendy said she just thought her sports bra was incredibly effective was her observation of it. Maria said she wished she looked like that when she ran and chased by lions chased by lions. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Everyone would run much more efficiently if they were chased by lions.
Speaker 1:And Neil said that he was struggling to decide to have to watch it seven times.
Speaker 2:Neil, that's worrying Neil.
Speaker 1:Neil, but Dan Dan Barrett also said that kind of related that anyone in TV or film needs to be dressed by a costume department person who is an actual runner. I think that's a good observation because whenever you watch films like run fat by run or the equivalent, or they're always wearing kit that you think I've never seen a runner dressed like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's beginner runner innit. Beginner runners don't really know what to wear, so it's probably more accurate.
Speaker 1:But even beginner runner, there are some kind of golden rules of what you expect to see, and they what would you expect to?
Speaker 2:When I think about what I used to run in when I started doing? When I ran my first marathon, I was wearing totally the wrong kit.
Speaker 1:But I think in television and film everyone always is dressed, wearing a sweatbant whenever they run.
Speaker 2:I don't know why that is true, that is true, they've always got a sweatbant.
Speaker 1:They have always got a sweatbant and you never see anyone out running in a sweatbant. No, that's true. And they've got the wrist sweatbands that are kind of from 1980s hip hop videos. They always have the set and you're like, where has that come from?
Speaker 2:And it's almost as if people They've bedfri, like literally, you know who they're appealing to, don't you? If it's someone above a certain age, you're like this is a, this is for 50-year-olds. They'll know that this is a runner from the sweatbands.
Speaker 1:The sweatband does it. So there's lots of things like that that you think. And actually even new runners do tend to have quite a good pair of trainers, whereas in TV and film they're always wearing like green flash or Hocus or pumps or yeah. Well, maybe that's. That's our question.
Speaker 2:OK. So if you had to dress a beginner runner, who are making all the mistakes that a beginner runner makes, when they because they think that that's what's running is what would they be wearing? Because I think they'd be carrying a Lucas Aids sport. I think that would be the thing that would show that there be, because they feel like they have to have a Lucas Aids sport, which, of course, when you're going out for a 10 minute run Because that reminds me of the color run, when I went to the color run, literally everyone was holding Lucas Aids sports You're like, this is like a mile.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you definitely have an energy jink in the hand.
Speaker 2:They'd potentially be wearing a cotton singlet Sweatband yeah, definitely cotton, Cotton yeah.
Speaker 1:Cotton is, or females. Non-sports bra just in a normal bra, not thinking, oh, this is going to be problematic Shorts hmm, probably Bermuda style shorts maybe. Or basketball style shorts, basketball style, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cotton basketball style, probably Nike or something.
Speaker 1:Socks thick, socks thick, and then shoes.
Speaker 2:What would be all right. Shoes would probably be all right, probably Nike Air or something like that. Yeah, nike Green Flash it literally describing me when I started out running here. It's exactly what I wore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean we'll ask this in the group, one of the TV stereotypes, but also, what would we expect?
Speaker 2:400-pound watch. 400-pound sports watch as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like plenty of gels for the first 5K.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then an experienced runner doing a 5K Pulse hydration vest like literally more, more what's it called breathable material than you can imagine or possibly need. It's a big jump, isn't it? It's a big jump.
Speaker 1:You might get some hydration vest on beginner runners these days. I mean last time when I went out in just any old kit, I was amazed by a couple of people who were jogging around, both with their hydration vest. That looked fairly packed.
Speaker 2:People wear hydration vest for everything Like you see people literally go for a run around in hydration vest. Just a amount of people do marathons with hydration vest as well and shorter distances is massive.
Speaker 1:They've done well with the vest, haven't they, mr and Mrs Vest absolutely smashed it, mr and Mrs Vest have tricked everyone into it. I mean we're saying vests again.
Speaker 2:Mind you, if you do something like Brighton Marathon or Edinburgh, where they run out of water, hydration vest probably makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is true, this is true. Well, I've got to crack on with the rest of my life now, so I'm going to love you and leave you, sir.
Speaker 2:You haven't got a life anymore. You have children or child.
Speaker 1:This is true, but I'm trying to earn some dollar for the family now that they're both at home, but do better to get in the group and let us know what you think are either the classic things people wear in films and TV when they're a typical runner or first time runners. What are the mistakes or what's the typical gear that a first time runner would wear? What did you?
Speaker 2:wear. What were the mistakes you made as a first time runner? And I don't want to go. Hey, you can't make a mistake as a first time runner because you're a first time, but, yeah, bollocks for that. Yes, yes, we know we're not beginner shaming, or who in your head was doing that? I, I, I, I. There's always someone isn't there. There's always someone who would be like, oh, you shouldn't, don't criticize beginners, because at least they're starting somewhere, and like, yeah, everyone makes beginner mistakes. There's five to go.
Speaker 1:The beginning, the beginning, and thank you for Jason from Athletics Weekly for actually asking the question of and explaining the dilemma as well. I think it's always good for people to understand the, the challenges, and hopefully we've, we've stopped taking those 12 year olds on social though. Stop it Jason, stop it Tag us, tag us, we need to follow it and but well, thanks for listening, guys, and if you've got some suggestions of future guests, let us know. And I thought we haven't mentioned the 80s. That are bad stuff. You're a bad boy and we need to have a way we need to send people there because I think, if this is one of the first bad stuff you've listened to, go and listen to that, because it explains all the idiocy of the podcast and I don't want to say idiosyncrasies there, and then gave up and said idiosy. No, absolutely Idiocy. Is that was I was going for? Not idiotic, not just idiocy?
Speaker 2:out of date Idiocy. I don't know if we use half the terminology that we have in that anyway anymore.
Speaker 1:But it's. It's about 10 hours of a lot of fun content, so it really is a nice kind of exposure to bad boy running in terms of future Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:I said the other thing as well, because we're approaching Christmas, we should absolutely point people to the the 12 days of Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean, if you should no no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Don't say anything, Don't say anything. Yeah, do the 12 days of.
Speaker 1:Christmas Rattle through those happy Christmas.
Speaker 2:It's so merry Christmas. That's our little present to you by the 12 days of Christmas.
Speaker 1:Now do balance. If you've got any suggestions of guests, then do message me, David at badboyruncom or message on Instagram, because we are yeah, I'm recruiting at the moment and future episodes to look out for. We spoke to Sarah Siskind about the LSD 50 K and how she used psychedelics to battle oppression. That is an amazing episode. We have just spoke to Corinne, who was the UTMB commentator, who was recently told that UTMB wouldn't be wanting her services anymore. We interviewed her last night and we've also got mentioned a little bit earlier Nick Griggs, who is the under 23,. He was the under 23,000 meter champion Well, I've just seen in my notes it says 300 meter champion. It seems less competitive at the age of 16 about about how his life changed from filming himself running on a track, uploading it in a competition and everything exploded from there. Really interesting episode where we also talks about the choice that a lot of athletes have in Northern Ireland, about whether they represent the UK or Ireland and the pressure on that, and also the expectations of what support you get from either side of those decisions. Anything else to chuck in there, Jadie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you want to join the Facebook group, head over to Facebook type in bad boy running podcast. Answer three questions and in you jump where you can. Let us know about your beginner running mistakes.
Speaker 1:And I've just noticed something in the one was the four minute mile. That was OK. Sports personality of the year we're obsessed with the four minute mile, yet Roger Bannister didn't win sports personality of the year the year that he broke the four minute mile.
Speaker 2:It's been a joke since then.
Speaker 1:It's been a joke since then. It is a joke, wow. So it was instead won by another athlete, christopher Chatterway, I don't know. So we're going to next, next episode.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you what Christopher Chatterway did, because but the thing is they probably said oh yeah, it's just an FKT, isn't it? It's just an FKT, yeah, it's probably won a real race, not some FKT running track.
Speaker 1:So we're going to update you on how he kept Roger Bannister out of the prize that he went to his grave Brustrated cursing sports personality of the year.
Speaker 2:So people really care about sports. Personality Josh Kerr does.
Speaker 1:Josh Kerr is furious. I have no idea who he is, but I am on his behalf. But well, that's just it, guys, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2:See you later.
Speaker 1:Bye, fuck you, buddy.